My town literally is 70% men, at least for young people. We joke all the time about it being a sausage fest. I think for the over 40 crowd, the number improves to 60/40. Then above 60, it switches, because in ski towns, a lot of men start dying by then. In my 30 years living here, I wondered what was going to happen to the men who spent their time playing hard and working hard, in jobs where they didn't get medical benefits and only sought care when injuries stopped their ability to play. Unfortunately, I learned the answer, they die young. They didn't reach the time where their body could no longer due their work and they had no nest egg or retirement to rely on.
Also, they often chose to die if faced with debilitating injuries where they would be unable to keep doing physical activities.
Suicide is a big problem in ski towns, especially for young men. See Bodie Millers documentary about ski towns, I think it relates to Of Boys and Men, and young men in ski towns are struggling. To feel like you have no chance because there are so few women, and maybe you aren't the 'alpha male' is disheartening. Of course decent jobs are hard to find too. I think men often feel their jobs define their masculiity at some level. Young men are having a hard time reconcilling that to the jobs available to them.
I think it's called modern science. Male offspring are much weaker than females offspring and therefore used to die at a higher rate. With modern medicine we are able to save more male babies.
This kind of explains why dating was so bad for me in my more populated hometown and why I was able to meet my husband in the middle of nowhere Kansas.
It is no necessary to be a University Professor to understand why this happen. If you look the map of america, women like to live in the most confortable, warm, crouded, city structure, of America. Women like confort and validation. Places not confortable with a minimal life style does not fit on women.
I think you're way off base. Women tend toward cities because economically, they are more apt to be able to support themselves there. Given the right motivation, women are quite willing to live in less 'easy' places. I was lucky enough to find gainful employment in a rural area, where it snows sometimes 40 feet a year at one's house. And I've love it! Albeit it, there male/female ratio is way out of whack.
oKAY...let's talk statistics. Research and statistics and social psychology and medicine have been my career for 30+ years and statistics is my favorite. All of the data in this original post AND implied in the first part of your second sentence ("If you look the map of america") are descriptive in nature; not inferential or analytical. As such they cannot make causative or predictive or probability statements. A descriptive statistic, using your statement and some of the statements in the original post, would be, for example, the average number of women in any particular state or county; or, the percentage of women in some geographical areas versus others. BUT the CARDINAL SIN in critical thinking and statistics is misinterpreting or drawing misleading conclusions from data by ignoring statistical assumptions or proper analysis methods. When your second statement went from "if you look the map of america," to "women like to live in the most comfortable, warm, crouded, city structure...." you were revealing your biases and emotions, not anything statistically credible or logically reasonable. You cannot infer that the women like or do not like where they live because the data to which you refer supports nothing more than x# of women live in x, y, and z. Moreover, your most significant error in critical thinking (critical thinking is necessary for--gosh, I don't know--the advancement of civilization!) is this statement: women like comfort and validation. That statement reveals your sex/gender biases and comes OUT OF THE BLUE, not connected to any real hard data. So when you say what you said "is statistic" you are in great error. NOTHING you said has any logical or statistical merit to it. You have shared little more than your biases and sexism. So you have NO basis or credibility to call ME emotional. I am NOT the one that needs to "stay focus o data." YOU are the one that needs to learn WHAT CONSTITUTES DATA
His discussion points out the uneven distribution... but I don't get the point as to why this is a male issue. He seems to bang on that drum... when areas that are slightly more female have their issues too? Or is this all self-selected.
Totally, the more an area leans toward women, the more dating becomes debauched and a race to the bottom, with men demanding more and more concessions in order to pick one over the other. The author’s focus is men though, and men not having women around diminishes their motivation and prevents community growth… so all these places where there’s majority men, will likely become stagnant. It’s also psychologically damaging and demoralizing for them not to have any hope of finding someone, in a way that’s different than it is for women
I’ve lived mostly in male-dominated rural areas. It’s nothing sinister or related to women being too picky as at least one commenter suggests. It’s because of the jobs concentrated in those areas like oil fields, coal mines, logging, and military bases.
Kristen, you will appreciate the faults of men in masculine professions after you’ve dated one of their domesticated counterparts that make you walk street-side and can’t figure out how to navigate in a small city… my personal favorite is when you break up and they have the lack of pride enough to ask for a portion of meals out to be paid back to them
Wow this comment is bonkers sexist. We are not animals to be domesticated. Shitty people exist of both sex and applying stereotypes to blue call workers is beyond offensive and frankly imbecilic. Imagine for a moment if a man talked about how men will appreciate a trad woman after dating nothing but liberal city dwelling feral ones. Not a great description is it. Look in the mirror and realize you are part of the problem.
😂 Cale, the problem is the gender confusion that has been thrown at everyone the last 30 years… I wear dresses every day and can cook; I firmly believe men should have a better sense of vigilance and navigation than I do, if he does not, somebody else help him cross the street and figure out where he parked his car. It won’t be me
I find the article less than informative bc it begs so many questions. First and foremost, is this a change in birth rates of boy vs girls, or a (re)location question? Is this really a new development? Without some context, I can't say I'm concerned...
I guess us women need to get back to the basics and start reproducing again. With the abortion ban that shouldn't be impossible. Once women return to their rightful reproductive place, I'm sure they can lower their standards again and not be so picky when dating and marrying men. 🫢😃
Guess it also needed a laughing emoji. Yes it is very much tongue and cheek. Not wanting to forget that it does represent a certain percentage of the population. Very dangerous ideology that is alive and well
I got the facetiousness on my first read of your initial post. After your second post I just wanted to respond with my opinion as a 65 year old man who has always chosen to not have children. In my experience “that certain percentage of the population” (male and female)you seem to be referring to would not counsel the lowering of standards on the part of women who wanted children and a family nor are they predominantly motivated by ideology. (Dangerous?) And I think abortion “ban” is overstating the current situation. So far that political football may be losing some traction (a good thing for our governance) and actual abortion laws will settle into something the majority of Americans agree upon. Remember “safe, legal and rare”? As opposed to full term abortion btw.
I’m just working with what you wrote and hope I haven’t missed the mark, but I’m almost guessing now based on my identification with what I perceive as your sentiments:
I used to feel that way about let’s say those people and their ideology, and I’m glad I do not feel that way anymore. I was the one messed up with ideology
The last four years of Covid, leftist, authoritarianism and destructive social and fiscal policy.. well I had to change with the changes. It’s turned out literally better than I could have imagined.
The threat of “those people” has been overblown by the powers that should not be. For the most part such people want to be left alone to live their lives. The danger potential exists and I will speak to it if I encounter it (already making sure my tools are sharp) but my heart won’t afford the ideas and ideals that I formerly used to “feel safe”. That was a failure and confinement. Insofar as I was feminism aligned and Democrat inclined….. well I’m not anymore. Too much damage and deceit woke me up. All I did was my best to be honest especially with myself.
My town literally is 70% men, at least for young people. We joke all the time about it being a sausage fest. I think for the over 40 crowd, the number improves to 60/40. Then above 60, it switches, because in ski towns, a lot of men start dying by then. In my 30 years living here, I wondered what was going to happen to the men who spent their time playing hard and working hard, in jobs where they didn't get medical benefits and only sought care when injuries stopped their ability to play. Unfortunately, I learned the answer, they die young. They didn't reach the time where their body could no longer due their work and they had no nest egg or retirement to rely on.
Also, they often chose to die if faced with debilitating injuries where they would be unable to keep doing physical activities.
Suicide is a big problem in ski towns, especially for young men. See Bodie Millers documentary about ski towns, I think it relates to Of Boys and Men, and young men in ski towns are struggling. To feel like you have no chance because there are so few women, and maybe you aren't the 'alpha male' is disheartening. Of course decent jobs are hard to find too. I think men often feel their jobs define their masculiity at some level. Young men are having a hard time reconcilling that to the jobs available to them.
It’s raining men 🎶
I feel like that summarizes this post.
Looks like there is another”big sort” going on and it’s not just the creative class - it’s gendered.
“Places without women”? No such place exists…. I looked 😂
I really enjoyed your interview with Theo Von. It was Excellent. I watched it from beginning to end! Great work and I support the work you all do here
I think it's called modern science. Male offspring are much weaker than females offspring and therefore used to die at a higher rate. With modern medicine we are able to save more male babies.
Darn medicine!
Where did all of the women go? Or maybe a better question is where did all of the men suddenly come from?
What purpose does the title of this post serve?
This kind of explains why dating was so bad for me in my more populated hometown and why I was able to meet my husband in the middle of nowhere Kansas.
It is no necessary to be a University Professor to understand why this happen. If you look the map of america, women like to live in the most confortable, warm, crouded, city structure, of America. Women like confort and validation. Places not confortable with a minimal life style does not fit on women.
I think you're way off base. Women tend toward cities because economically, they are more apt to be able to support themselves there. Given the right motivation, women are quite willing to live in less 'easy' places. I was lucky enough to find gainful employment in a rural area, where it snows sometimes 40 feet a year at one's house. And I've love it! Albeit it, there male/female ratio is way out of whack.
wow! Thank for the reminder that stereotyping, sexism, and disregard for critical thinking are alive and well.
It is statistic, no critical thinking or sexism. Stop to be emotional and stay focus on data.
oKAY...let's talk statistics. Research and statistics and social psychology and medicine have been my career for 30+ years and statistics is my favorite. All of the data in this original post AND implied in the first part of your second sentence ("If you look the map of america") are descriptive in nature; not inferential or analytical. As such they cannot make causative or predictive or probability statements. A descriptive statistic, using your statement and some of the statements in the original post, would be, for example, the average number of women in any particular state or county; or, the percentage of women in some geographical areas versus others. BUT the CARDINAL SIN in critical thinking and statistics is misinterpreting or drawing misleading conclusions from data by ignoring statistical assumptions or proper analysis methods. When your second statement went from "if you look the map of america," to "women like to live in the most comfortable, warm, crouded, city structure...." you were revealing your biases and emotions, not anything statistically credible or logically reasonable. You cannot infer that the women like or do not like where they live because the data to which you refer supports nothing more than x# of women live in x, y, and z. Moreover, your most significant error in critical thinking (critical thinking is necessary for--gosh, I don't know--the advancement of civilization!) is this statement: women like comfort and validation. That statement reveals your sex/gender biases and comes OUT OF THE BLUE, not connected to any real hard data. So when you say what you said "is statistic" you are in great error. NOTHING you said has any logical or statistical merit to it. You have shared little more than your biases and sexism. So you have NO basis or credibility to call ME emotional. I am NOT the one that needs to "stay focus o data." YOU are the one that needs to learn WHAT CONSTITUTES DATA
Safety, too.
I disagree, rurale area are more safe the urban area. The majority of crimes are in the urban area.
Only because there are more people in urban areas and people cause crime.
Should we not also be concerned about the Majority female areas?
What issues does that raise?
Look to K-12 education and other areas of gynocracy e.g.
His discussion points out the uneven distribution... but I don't get the point as to why this is a male issue. He seems to bang on that drum... when areas that are slightly more female have their issues too? Or is this all self-selected.
Totally, the more an area leans toward women, the more dating becomes debauched and a race to the bottom, with men demanding more and more concessions in order to pick one over the other. The author’s focus is men though, and men not having women around diminishes their motivation and prevents community growth… so all these places where there’s majority men, will likely become stagnant. It’s also psychologically damaging and demoralizing for them not to have any hope of finding someone, in a way that’s different than it is for women
I’ve lived mostly in male-dominated rural areas. It’s nothing sinister or related to women being too picky as at least one commenter suggests. It’s because of the jobs concentrated in those areas like oil fields, coal mines, logging, and military bases.
Kristen, you will appreciate the faults of men in masculine professions after you’ve dated one of their domesticated counterparts that make you walk street-side and can’t figure out how to navigate in a small city… my personal favorite is when you break up and they have the lack of pride enough to ask for a portion of meals out to be paid back to them
Wow this comment is bonkers sexist. We are not animals to be domesticated. Shitty people exist of both sex and applying stereotypes to blue call workers is beyond offensive and frankly imbecilic. Imagine for a moment if a man talked about how men will appreciate a trad woman after dating nothing but liberal city dwelling feral ones. Not a great description is it. Look in the mirror and realize you are part of the problem.
😂 Cale, the problem is the gender confusion that has been thrown at everyone the last 30 years… I wear dresses every day and can cook; I firmly believe men should have a better sense of vigilance and navigation than I do, if he does not, somebody else help him cross the street and figure out where he parked his car. It won’t be me
I find the article less than informative bc it begs so many questions. First and foremost, is this a change in birth rates of boy vs girls, or a (re)location question? Is this really a new development? Without some context, I can't say I'm concerned...
It could be migration due to jobs? 🤔 Hopefully they’ll delving into it for a follow up article
Btw, left me share my view from Spain.
Spain is more or less the side of Texas, with people Very concentrated in 2 Big cities
And although there are sligthly more women than men in big cities, this is driven by old women..between the youngs, we dont see that difference.
So, we have 2 iptions:
1. We increase the options of females in rural areas and decrece their options in urban by increasing the options of males there
2. We imvent robot wifes and husdbands
I guess us women need to get back to the basics and start reproducing again. With the abortion ban that shouldn't be impossible. Once women return to their rightful reproductive place, I'm sure they can lower their standards again and not be so picky when dating and marrying men. 🫢😃
What abortion ban?
LMAO
Hoping this is tongue in cheek.
Guess it also needed a laughing emoji. Yes it is very much tongue and cheek. Not wanting to forget that it does represent a certain percentage of the population. Very dangerous ideology that is alive and well
I got the facetiousness on my first read of your initial post. After your second post I just wanted to respond with my opinion as a 65 year old man who has always chosen to not have children. In my experience “that certain percentage of the population” (male and female)you seem to be referring to would not counsel the lowering of standards on the part of women who wanted children and a family nor are they predominantly motivated by ideology. (Dangerous?) And I think abortion “ban” is overstating the current situation. So far that political football may be losing some traction (a good thing for our governance) and actual abortion laws will settle into something the majority of Americans agree upon. Remember “safe, legal and rare”? As opposed to full term abortion btw.
I’m just working with what you wrote and hope I haven’t missed the mark, but I’m almost guessing now based on my identification with what I perceive as your sentiments:
I used to feel that way about let’s say those people and their ideology, and I’m glad I do not feel that way anymore. I was the one messed up with ideology
The last four years of Covid, leftist, authoritarianism and destructive social and fiscal policy.. well I had to change with the changes. It’s turned out literally better than I could have imagined.
The threat of “those people” has been overblown by the powers that should not be. For the most part such people want to be left alone to live their lives. The danger potential exists and I will speak to it if I encounter it (already making sure my tools are sharp) but my heart won’t afford the ideas and ideals that I formerly used to “feel safe”. That was a failure and confinement. Insofar as I was feminism aligned and Democrat inclined….. well I’m not anymore. Too much damage and deceit woke me up. All I did was my best to be honest especially with myself.
I agree with you 100%. I was just being facetious.
You're right. I rushed and forgot