Interesting to note the difference in GPA is much larger than the difference in SAT scores. Maybe more low GPA boys opt out of testing.
Girls do get more focus today. Teachers still have bias that hurts boys - even male teachers.
Never mentioned or studied enough. More boys lack a male role model in their life... girls almost always have many. It has a huge effect in my opinion. Courts need to give custody of boys over 10 to their dads unless there is a good reason not to.
The "males at the tails" pattern is "interesting" only if you are unfamiliar with the testing literature. The pattern has consistently been observed as far back as standardized testing has existed. It exists in lots of other areas. And the further out on the tails you go, the larger the effect. What would have been surprising and "interesting" would be if you had not found this pattern. Of course, that did not keep Larry Summers from losing his job as president of Harvard for observing that it existed.
You cannot understand the discrepancies in school outcomes between boys and girls until you understand the discrepancies in the ways they are treated. Boys are literally under siege in a school system that has been specifically tailored to meet the needs of girls. Worse still, the boys are called toxic and blamed for the ills of the world. How can expect anyone to excel under such conditions. Boys are under siege https://menaregood.substack.com/p/boys-under-siege
Seems to me, it likely comes down to maturity level. Girls mature faster on all levels. With a level playing field, girls are surpassing boys AT THAT AGE. Do we slow school down, so young people aren't graduating until 20? Would that make a difference? I do think that mature, more focused boys are competetive with the top girls. How do we get our boys to focus on school more?
I am curious if boys in all boys schools do better, do you have the stats on that?
I still believe that part of the problem is boys being led to think they are better than girls...then when they get beat by a girl, they don't know how to deal with it. We need to be teaching boys that girls are just as capable and that it comes down to individualism and dedication. If they get beat by a girl, it's because the girl is better than them, or they didn't try hard enough. To expect boys/men to be better than women in pretty much all things, is setting them up for failure. Stop raising boys to think they are better than women. I really think that's at the core of the problem. The more mature girls do better than the boys, so the boys begin to quit at a young age. They start to focus on other things than being good in school. If they could be told, hey, just wait, you'll be fine in the long run if you just stay focused. But then again, why do we feel the need to compare the sexes. Can't we just say, hey, that person, male or female, beat you. Try harder if you want to beat them.
What year and what state did you go to Highschool that you absorbed the message that boys were better than girls? I was in Highschool about 15 years ago in Florida, and every message I absorbed was that girls were better than boys. I don’t think that’s why this issue exists, but I don’t think that the message needs to be hammered in more than it already is.
There are loads of focus and money thrown at women's/girls' issues - you say top stop comparing the sexes?
You have to compare demographics of different races, different economic strata, etc. - and look at the different outcomes to identify disparity.
The majority of programs exist for women only.
Sounds like you are misandrist - WHY are you even here?
Boys aren't taught that they're "better" - the entire school system in the west promotes the message of female empowerment, with female only scholarships and programs....
You think that sends to boys the message that they are "better"?
I focus on men's issues because only the minority of people do.
Sounds like you don't have empathy for men or boys.
Also, girls maturing faster than boys is a total gynocentric crock of rubbish. If that were even true, I could also claim that men mature FURTHER than women and that girls only temporarily surpass same-age males in "maturity" (which you need to DEFINE and MEASURE, by the way) - only for most men to surpass women. Even that may not be true. But, when you don't have loads of safety nets, scholarships, affirmative action hiring, divorce money (lol), etc. - like WOMEN have....then men are FORCED to mature FURTHER.
I love how misandrists like you try to paint men like dumb bumbling idiots - that just proves that you think crappy American sitcoms with dumb dads and their "too good for them wives" are reality to you....
This research is vitally important for the future of academia as well as for the social implications inherent in gaining unwanted educational gaps at the upper and lower end of the scale. Due to gender differences it has always been the case that on the whole girls are better than boys at self expression, especially verbally. There has always been this predominance particularly in emotional self expression. Boys and girls do not respond identically to the same teaching methods. In what we call in Britain ‘Public Schools’, that are generally paid for by wealthy parents and are very far from public, the problem of under achieving males as compared to females does not seem to exist. Why, because most of these schools are single sex with the boys schools mostly employing male teachers and the girls female teachers. Why does this make a difference? Because of a naturally occurring method of teaching and requirements as to anticipated results. Not a conscious bias at all. Females want to see active participants in class and a good understanding of what is being taught, facilitated by the pupils. Girls answer verbal questions mostly readily, boys do not as a rule.
Male teachers tend to have to force or coax answers from their adolescent classes to teach them to respond so as to engage them more readily in future teaching. The methods of teaching are different. Boys are taught to be tough at these public schools and to participate in the sort of sports that most females don’t join into. They are also taught that participation is essential in all aspects of school life.
There are vast differences in the psychology that is useful in teaching male and female students and this should be addressed if any improvement in male rates of college attendance is to become equal in numbers to female attendees.
I have taught both male and female students together in a non academic setting. Boys don’t participate easily for two reasons. One. Usually a girl had her hand up first to answer anyhow and secondly, boys don’t want to look foolish if their answer is wrong. Again, different types of reactions in mixed sex classrooms amongst adolescent students. At the stage when it all seems to start going wrong.So, more male teachers would be a good start.
This is interesting. When you say high schools are not boy-friendly enough, what can be done to allow boys to achieve success?
I wonder what the rise of female success can be attributed to—(correct me if I’m wrong, but) there have been no drastic changes in education policy to uplift women specifically. The way I see it, these issues are pointing to broader social changes and possibly men’s focuses shifting from academics to other areas (physical fitness, making money, etc).
I would love to know how I can support the men in my life.
My best guess is conscientiousness is why girl GPA is higher. The drastic change to education policy to lift up women was likely making homework and project based work I higher percentage of a grade than tests. Girls spend an average of 21 minutes more on homework a day, and that’s likely driven by a lot of boys not doing homework at all, lowering their grades.
This is super interesting. I'd also love to see the data for different countries. I was pleasantly surprised to find out recently that in many MENA countries, there were more females going to study STEM subjects at Uni than men, which is so different to the narrative in the 'West'. I think if we can understand what drives participation/performance of different genders in countries/cultures where something is working it may give clues as to possible interventions.
What are you claiming is different to the narrative in the west? Women in the US are both more likely to go to college and more likely to graduate once they enroll. To hear some people talk, they won’t be satisfied until college enrollment is 100% female in every major.
Interesting to note the difference in GPA is much larger than the difference in SAT scores. Maybe more low GPA boys opt out of testing.
Girls do get more focus today. Teachers still have bias that hurts boys - even male teachers.
Never mentioned or studied enough. More boys lack a male role model in their life... girls almost always have many. It has a huge effect in my opinion. Courts need to give custody of boys over 10 to their dads unless there is a good reason not to.
The "males at the tails" pattern is "interesting" only if you are unfamiliar with the testing literature. The pattern has consistently been observed as far back as standardized testing has existed. It exists in lots of other areas. And the further out on the tails you go, the larger the effect. What would have been surprising and "interesting" would be if you had not found this pattern. Of course, that did not keep Larry Summers from losing his job as president of Harvard for observing that it existed.
You cannot understand the discrepancies in school outcomes between boys and girls until you understand the discrepancies in the ways they are treated. Boys are literally under siege in a school system that has been specifically tailored to meet the needs of girls. Worse still, the boys are called toxic and blamed for the ills of the world. How can expect anyone to excel under such conditions. Boys are under siege https://menaregood.substack.com/p/boys-under-siege
The value of education as typically offered by schools has peaked and is in decline. What you see is boys and men ahead of the curve, as usual
Seems to me, it likely comes down to maturity level. Girls mature faster on all levels. With a level playing field, girls are surpassing boys AT THAT AGE. Do we slow school down, so young people aren't graduating until 20? Would that make a difference? I do think that mature, more focused boys are competetive with the top girls. How do we get our boys to focus on school more?
I am curious if boys in all boys schools do better, do you have the stats on that?
I still believe that part of the problem is boys being led to think they are better than girls...then when they get beat by a girl, they don't know how to deal with it. We need to be teaching boys that girls are just as capable and that it comes down to individualism and dedication. If they get beat by a girl, it's because the girl is better than them, or they didn't try hard enough. To expect boys/men to be better than women in pretty much all things, is setting them up for failure. Stop raising boys to think they are better than women. I really think that's at the core of the problem. The more mature girls do better than the boys, so the boys begin to quit at a young age. They start to focus on other things than being good in school. If they could be told, hey, just wait, you'll be fine in the long run if you just stay focused. But then again, why do we feel the need to compare the sexes. Can't we just say, hey, that person, male or female, beat you. Try harder if you want to beat them.
What year and what state did you go to Highschool that you absorbed the message that boys were better than girls? I was in Highschool about 15 years ago in Florida, and every message I absorbed was that girls were better than boys. I don’t think that’s why this issue exists, but I don’t think that the message needs to be hammered in more than it already is.
You missed the point entirely.
There are loads of focus and money thrown at women's/girls' issues - you say top stop comparing the sexes?
You have to compare demographics of different races, different economic strata, etc. - and look at the different outcomes to identify disparity.
The majority of programs exist for women only.
Sounds like you are misandrist - WHY are you even here?
Boys aren't taught that they're "better" - the entire school system in the west promotes the message of female empowerment, with female only scholarships and programs....
You think that sends to boys the message that they are "better"?
I focus on men's issues because only the minority of people do.
Sounds like you don't have empathy for men or boys.
Also, girls maturing faster than boys is a total gynocentric crock of rubbish. If that were even true, I could also claim that men mature FURTHER than women and that girls only temporarily surpass same-age males in "maturity" (which you need to DEFINE and MEASURE, by the way) - only for most men to surpass women. Even that may not be true. But, when you don't have loads of safety nets, scholarships, affirmative action hiring, divorce money (lol), etc. - like WOMEN have....then men are FORCED to mature FURTHER.
I love how misandrists like you try to paint men like dumb bumbling idiots - that just proves that you think crappy American sitcoms with dumb dads and their "too good for them wives" are reality to you....
You can see yourself out, now.
This research is vitally important for the future of academia as well as for the social implications inherent in gaining unwanted educational gaps at the upper and lower end of the scale. Due to gender differences it has always been the case that on the whole girls are better than boys at self expression, especially verbally. There has always been this predominance particularly in emotional self expression. Boys and girls do not respond identically to the same teaching methods. In what we call in Britain ‘Public Schools’, that are generally paid for by wealthy parents and are very far from public, the problem of under achieving males as compared to females does not seem to exist. Why, because most of these schools are single sex with the boys schools mostly employing male teachers and the girls female teachers. Why does this make a difference? Because of a naturally occurring method of teaching and requirements as to anticipated results. Not a conscious bias at all. Females want to see active participants in class and a good understanding of what is being taught, facilitated by the pupils. Girls answer verbal questions mostly readily, boys do not as a rule.
Male teachers tend to have to force or coax answers from their adolescent classes to teach them to respond so as to engage them more readily in future teaching. The methods of teaching are different. Boys are taught to be tough at these public schools and to participate in the sort of sports that most females don’t join into. They are also taught that participation is essential in all aspects of school life.
There are vast differences in the psychology that is useful in teaching male and female students and this should be addressed if any improvement in male rates of college attendance is to become equal in numbers to female attendees.
I have taught both male and female students together in a non academic setting. Boys don’t participate easily for two reasons. One. Usually a girl had her hand up first to answer anyhow and secondly, boys don’t want to look foolish if their answer is wrong. Again, different types of reactions in mixed sex classrooms amongst adolescent students. At the stage when it all seems to start going wrong.So, more male teachers would be a good start.
This is interesting. When you say high schools are not boy-friendly enough, what can be done to allow boys to achieve success?
I wonder what the rise of female success can be attributed to—(correct me if I’m wrong, but) there have been no drastic changes in education policy to uplift women specifically. The way I see it, these issues are pointing to broader social changes and possibly men’s focuses shifting from academics to other areas (physical fitness, making money, etc).
I would love to know how I can support the men in my life.
My best guess is conscientiousness is why girl GPA is higher. The drastic change to education policy to lift up women was likely making homework and project based work I higher percentage of a grade than tests. Girls spend an average of 21 minutes more on homework a day, and that’s likely driven by a lot of boys not doing homework at all, lowering their grades.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/02/20/the-way-u-s-teens-spend-their-time-is-changing-but-differences-between-boys-and-girls-persist/
This is nothing new. I was the same in the late 1960s when I was in HS.
This is super interesting. I'd also love to see the data for different countries. I was pleasantly surprised to find out recently that in many MENA countries, there were more females going to study STEM subjects at Uni than men, which is so different to the narrative in the 'West'. I think if we can understand what drives participation/performance of different genders in countries/cultures where something is working it may give clues as to possible interventions.
What are you claiming is different to the narrative in the west? Women in the US are both more likely to go to college and more likely to graduate once they enroll. To hear some people talk, they won’t be satisfied until college enrollment is 100% female in every major.