There would be no need for migration (ignoring the impact on the place these PEOPLE came from by removing economically vibrant individuals from their home nations) if the natural ability to replenish workforce members was carried out OR automated replacement technology were used to disemploy manual labour = men rather than administration = women, thus disincentivising men to participate in a less rewarding feminised society. Bearing the brunt of shitty lethal essential jobs so women and children first can become social reality. Second class men is where feminism is heading.
Great point and I've heard the same. Very true and absolutely not reasonable. That said - salaries for teachers in the US are easily 2x-3x what they are in Scandinavia (remember this is what Bernie, Warren and Mamdani idealize): teachers in Sweden make 3-5k USD per month before tax. Think about that. So while it sounds extreme that teachers should buy kids supplies, when I see the data it looks like teachers in usa when you consider all benefits, pensions, insurances, retirement, salaries, etc, by and large do quite well, at least in the middle and upper class areas.
The funding of the system through property tax and then the power of the teachers unions is something that doesn't make sense to a European.
And you're right - it's cheap babysitting. Imagine in the nordics babies are expected to start "pre-school" (it's called "förskolan" here, the conforming process must start young) already at 1 year old. Many (most?) adults struggle to be with their kids as much as say our parents (moms) and grandparents had to (wanted to?).
We must pay more attention to young men? I don't have the capacity for that. Right now, all of my attention is on the the six 19 to 24-year old boys who have taken over the entire US Treasury Payment System of the United States, who have no experience with the system and work for Elon Musk in "DOGE". If you don't know what I'm talking about, this just happened yesterday and y'all better get caught up on the news, fast! Sh_t is going down!
Six Men Between Ages 19 and 24 Are Running Musk's Takeover of Sensitive Government Payment Systems:
I am truly tired of the situation for boys and young men being described as compared to young women. IF it truly ISN'T about Girls doing well--- then leave them out of it completely.
Compare young men to .... Ants. or. Trees. or....??
You are doing a disservice if you have my Grandson see himself only as compared to young women.!!!
I would toss out that young men are perhaps moving further right due to the change from "Equality" to "Equity" and not necessarily, related to gender. As anyone researched this angle? I keep searching but haven't found any research yet.
Richard, the issue you are missing is that feminist women don't care about men, and never have. That is why they are called feminists. Feminists in Congress funded women's health, but ignored men's health. Unaddressed male health issues include the fact that there are 4 times more male suicides than female suicides. Men instinctively grasped that they have been short-changed by feminists in the political realm, and will seek out the Party of Men.
Vic was the one that mentioned that men are "more accomplished" at suicide, not me. I am a long-time MRA and am definitely trying to improve the situation for men.
Yeah, I guess you got me there. Though I would still like to know exactly where your logic concerning the difference between male and female suicide attempts comes from. I was personally under the impression that a suicide attempt is a suicide attempt and that the reason it’s completed more often for men is that they’re more likely to use methods (i.e. gunshot) that they’re less likely to survive. But I would like to know if that’s actually because they’re less interested in surviving or if there isn’t some other psychological reason for it.
More lethal methods used by men to commit suicide is only part of the problem. The other is motivation. The woman that slashes her wrists is making a cry for help, which often gets answered. The man that shoots or hangs himself has decided that help is not available, and that he wants to end it all.
The reasons for ATTEMPTING are likely much the same irrespective of which gender the perpetrator/victim/individual is. Men, as in many fields, are just better at getting things done than women.
Most young men reject feminism, and the party of feminism, because they know that feminists in government have no concern for men. And, it's apparent that you don't have concern for men, either.
This is not a new problem.; you describe similar stories in 1958 and 1975. Yet the failure rate of boys and young men is skyrocketing. Why? Today the discussion is so angry and adversarial. So much emphasis on toxic masculinity. Very little discussion about masculinity that they don't consider toxic.
Right-wing politics have been sucking Americans dry. All those federal budget cuts the current admin has made? Yeah, they actually affect us. On the other hand, Republicans have ALSO been grossly overextending their authority on things like immigration enforcement and abortion, so you can’t even argue that they want less government. They just want us to suffer while the rich get even more rich for no good reason.
I’ve heard kids going around calling other kids “Hitler” but have also heard one (in Scandinavia!) call another “a Stalin” as a pejorative and even a “Mao”.
There’s hope.
But the schools need to teach that horseshoe theory and the moral equivalence between nsdap, ccp and cpsu. Certainly the latter murdered more, if typically for political rather than racial reasons.
Your point around less government sounds more libertarian/indivhdual/freedom oriented, whilst most associate right wing with top down conservatism.
The linear “political spectrum” was as much a govt scam as the “food pyramid”
But basically we were all taught that right wing is bad and left wing a welfare state, “fairness” and equity. While in reality some animals are more equal than others and deterioration is inevitable. Even there vaunted Scandinavian welfare long depended on cheap Eastern European labor and imports (and currently imported labor as we don’t know how to build much without polish and Ukrainian muscle)
Research going back to the 1970s, starting with Suzanne Steinmetz, Murray Straus and Richard Gelles, has found that women batter men as often as the converse., Those fiindings have been replicated many times over the following years and decades. Feminist thugs made death threats against the three research sociologists, right after they published their findings.
There would be no need for migration (ignoring the impact on the place these PEOPLE came from by removing economically vibrant individuals from their home nations) if the natural ability to replenish workforce members was carried out OR automated replacement technology were used to disemploy manual labour = men rather than administration = women, thus disincentivising men to participate in a less rewarding feminised society. Bearing the brunt of shitty lethal essential jobs so women and children first can become social reality. Second class men is where feminism is heading.
Great point and I've heard the same. Very true and absolutely not reasonable. That said - salaries for teachers in the US are easily 2x-3x what they are in Scandinavia (remember this is what Bernie, Warren and Mamdani idealize): teachers in Sweden make 3-5k USD per month before tax. Think about that. So while it sounds extreme that teachers should buy kids supplies, when I see the data it looks like teachers in usa when you consider all benefits, pensions, insurances, retirement, salaries, etc, by and large do quite well, at least in the middle and upper class areas.
The funding of the system through property tax and then the power of the teachers unions is something that doesn't make sense to a European.
And you're right - it's cheap babysitting. Imagine in the nordics babies are expected to start "pre-school" (it's called "förskolan" here, the conforming process must start young) already at 1 year old. Many (most?) adults struggle to be with their kids as much as say our parents (moms) and grandparents had to (wanted to?).
1. Women are net consumers or government spending. Men are net contributers.
2. Leftists tell us we're evil for being male.
It is not really that hard to understand.
Wait, so the military is just a bunch of women now? That’s news to me.
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Men are more attracted to logos, the territory of the right.
Women are more attracted to mythos, the territory of the left.
Since when are right-wingers the more logical ones? Aren’t they the ones who are more likely keep pushing religion on people long after it’s obsolete?
We must pay more attention to young men? I don't have the capacity for that. Right now, all of my attention is on the the six 19 to 24-year old boys who have taken over the entire US Treasury Payment System of the United States, who have no experience with the system and work for Elon Musk in "DOGE". If you don't know what I'm talking about, this just happened yesterday and y'all better get caught up on the news, fast! Sh_t is going down!
Six Men Between Ages 19 and 24 Are Running Musk's Takeover of Sensitive Government Payment Systems:
https://www.joemygod.com/2025/02/six-men-between-ages-19-and-24-are-running-musks-takeover-of-sensitive-government-payment-systems/
I am truly tired of the situation for boys and young men being described as compared to young women. IF it truly ISN'T about Girls doing well--- then leave them out of it completely.
Compare young men to .... Ants. or. Trees. or....??
You are doing a disservice if you have my Grandson see himself only as compared to young women.!!!
Modern men "identifying with feminism".
That's a good one! 😅
I would toss out that young men are perhaps moving further right due to the change from "Equality" to "Equity" and not necessarily, related to gender. As anyone researched this angle? I keep searching but haven't found any research yet.
Richard, the issue you are missing is that feminist women don't care about men, and never have. That is why they are called feminists. Feminists in Congress funded women's health, but ignored men's health. Unaddressed male health issues include the fact that there are 4 times more male suicides than female suicides. Men instinctively grasped that they have been short-changed by feminists in the political realm, and will seek out the Party of Men.
Men are more accomplished at suicide than women who actually attempt it more than 2 times the rate of men
Women that attempt suicide are making a cry for help, and are usually rescued. Men that commit suicide realize that their situation is beyond hel.
Feminists and Democrats created 10 federal offices for women’s health, and ZERO offices for men’s health.
That seems awfully patronizing to us men who deal with such issues. You don’t think we’re trying to make anything better?
Vic was the one that mentioned that men are "more accomplished" at suicide, not me. I am a long-time MRA and am definitely trying to improve the situation for men.
Yeah, I guess you got me there. Though I would still like to know exactly where your logic concerning the difference between male and female suicide attempts comes from. I was personally under the impression that a suicide attempt is a suicide attempt and that the reason it’s completed more often for men is that they’re more likely to use methods (i.e. gunshot) that they’re less likely to survive. But I would like to know if that’s actually because they’re less interested in surviving or if there isn’t some other psychological reason for it.
More lethal methods used by men to commit suicide is only part of the problem. The other is motivation. The woman that slashes her wrists is making a cry for help, which often gets answered. The man that shoots or hangs himself has decided that help is not available, and that he wants to end it all.
The reasons for ATTEMPTING are likely much the same irrespective of which gender the perpetrator/victim/individual is. Men, as in many fields, are just better at getting things done than women.
I wonder how many of those alienated men are going to embrace Christianity. I'm seeing sprouts of that movement happening.
Have you listened to Plain English with Derek Thompson (podcast)? He's been on top of this in this election cycle since the data started coming out.
" Is the problem we're trying to understand why the gap in ideologies is widening between men and women? "
Most young women will not support state policies that go against their interests and wellbeing.
Most young men reject feminism, and the party of feminism, because they know that feminists in government have no concern for men. And, it's apparent that you don't have concern for men, either.
This is not a new problem.; you describe similar stories in 1958 and 1975. Yet the failure rate of boys and young men is skyrocketing. Why? Today the discussion is so angry and adversarial. So much emphasis on toxic masculinity. Very little discussion about masculinity that they don't consider toxic.
The toxic masculinists are very popular with boys on social media.
Toxic feminists like you are abundant, and post on forums that are concerned for men.
I guessed you'd be clueless on this.
Candace Owens is most definitely not a feminist.
Megan Kelly is definitely not a feminist.
Ann Coulter is definitely not a feminist.
Lauren Southern is definitely not a feminist.
I've no idea who the rest are, but I'm pretty convinced they are as much feminist as Hitler was a Rabbi.
I'll ask, everyone assuming that males choosing to vote right wing is a bad thing while not stating females voting more left wing is also a bad thing.
Why is right wing politics wrong and left wing politics right?
I saw a guy giving a talk and answering questions.
A lefty called him a Nazi.
He responded with, "Can you name any right-wing political party that have the word 'socialist' in their name"
Then he talked about right wing government means less government not more, the Nazis had an enormous governmen reaching into people's lives.
So I ask, what exactly is wrong with voting right wing, compared to voting left wing?
Right-wing politics have been sucking Americans dry. All those federal budget cuts the current admin has made? Yeah, they actually affect us. On the other hand, Republicans have ALSO been grossly overextending their authority on things like immigration enforcement and abortion, so you can’t even argue that they want less government. They just want us to suffer while the rich get even more rich for no good reason.
Do tell me how Democrat politicians have managed to amass million dollar fortunes when basically getting a government wage?
I’ve heard kids going around calling other kids “Hitler” but have also heard one (in Scandinavia!) call another “a Stalin” as a pejorative and even a “Mao”.
There’s hope.
But the schools need to teach that horseshoe theory and the moral equivalence between nsdap, ccp and cpsu. Certainly the latter murdered more, if typically for political rather than racial reasons.
Your point around less government sounds more libertarian/indivhdual/freedom oriented, whilst most associate right wing with top down conservatism.
The linear “political spectrum” was as much a govt scam as the “food pyramid”
But basically we were all taught that right wing is bad and left wing a welfare state, “fairness” and equity. While in reality some animals are more equal than others and deterioration is inevitable. Even there vaunted Scandinavian welfare long depended on cheap Eastern European labor and imports (and currently imported labor as we don’t know how to build much without polish and Ukrainian muscle)
Does anyone here have links to studies showing that “men’s violence against women has escalated”.
I read this every day, especially on LinkedIn, but without a shred of hard evidence. Like here https://www.linkedin.com/posts/sarah-nelson-41b775200_these-last-few-weeks-have-been-alarming-activity-7188827623261667329-LsAC?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios
Typically there’s an anecdotal reference to a specific event - which is not the same thing as a factual trend (even if it is heart wrenching).
I see this now in reference to this murderous vengeful hate crime in Australia.
My understanding was that men’s violence toward women was FALLING not increasing and I’ve not seen evidence otherwise.
The narrative has always been that if women have more power then the violence will diminish (see https://plan4womenssafety.dss.gov.au/resources/what-is-violence-against-women/) . Is that not thus happening?
I also wonder why the goal is only to end violence against women? https://www.unwomen.org/en/what-we-do/ending-violence-against-women/facts-and-figures
UN Women are rabid feminists. There is no such thing as UN Men.
Research going back to the 1970s, starting with Suzanne Steinmetz, Murray Straus and Richard Gelles, has found that women batter men as often as the converse., Those fiindings have been replicated many times over the following years and decades. Feminist thugs made death threats against the three research sociologists, right after they published their findings.