We must pay more attention to young men? I don't have the capacity for that. Right now, all of my attention is on the the six 19 to 24-year old boys who have taken over the entire US Treasury Payment System of the United States, who have no experience with the system and work for Elon Musk in "DOGE". If you don't know what I'm talking about, this just happened yesterday and y'all better get caught up on the news, fast! Sh_t is going down!
Six Men Between Ages 19 and 24 Are Running Musk's Takeover of Sensitive Government Payment Systems:
I am truly tired of the situation for boys and young men being described as compared to young women. IF it truly ISN'T about Girls doing well--- then leave them out of it completely.
Compare young men to .... Ants. or. Trees. or....??
You are doing a disservice if you have my Grandson see himself only as compared to young women.!!!
I would toss out that young men are perhaps moving further right due to the change from "Equality" to "Equity" and not necessarily, related to gender. As anyone researched this angle? I keep searching but haven't found any research yet.
Richard, the issue you are missing is that feminist women don't care about men, and never have. That is why they are called feminists. Feminists in Congress funded women's health, but ignored men's health. Unaddressed male health issues include the fact that there are 4 times more male suicides than female suicides. Men instinctively grasped that they have been short-changed by feminists in the political realm, and will seek out the Party of Men.
Most young men reject feminism, and the party of feminism, because they know that feminists in government have no concern for men. And, it's apparent that you don't have concern for men, either.
This is not a new problem.; you describe similar stories in 1958 and 1975. Yet the failure rate of boys and young men is skyrocketing. Why? Today the discussion is so angry and adversarial. So much emphasis on toxic masculinity. Very little discussion about masculinity that they don't consider toxic.
I’ve heard kids going around calling other kids “Hitler” but have also heard one (in Scandinavia!) call another “a Stalin” as a pejorative and even a “Mao”.
There’s hope.
But the schools need to teach that horseshoe theory and the moral equivalence between nsdap, ccp and cpsu. Certainly the latter murdered more, if typically for political rather than racial reasons.
Your point around less government sounds more libertarian/indivhdual/freedom oriented, whilst most associate right wing with top down conservatism.
The linear “political spectrum” was as much a govt scam as the “food pyramid”
But basically we were all taught that right wing is bad and left wing a welfare state, “fairness” and equity. While in reality some animals are more equal than others and deterioration is inevitable. Even there vaunted Scandinavian welfare long depended on cheap Eastern European labor and imports (and currently imported labor as we don’t know how to build much without polish and Ukrainian muscle)
Research going back to the 1970s, starting with Suzanne Steinmetz, Murray Straus and Richard Gelles, has found that women batter men as often as the converse., Those fiindings have been replicated many times over the following years and decades. Feminist thugs made death threats against the three research sociologists, right after they published their findings.
The "rightward movement of young men" consists of having realized that the Left is lying about some things and then, upon breaking that ground initially, being able to realize that the Left is lying about many more things.
They are not going off some deep end; they are still to the Left of the 20th Century center.
Looking at the charts above, this appears correct in the Western countries. In the US and Germany charts, young men are split more or less evenly, and in the UK, young men are majority liberal. The more dramatic trend in all three countries is how far to the left young women are.
(South Korea being the outlier exception; young men there do appear to be seriously right-wing.)
You are placing a lot of faith in the methodology of the charts. It is almost impossible that they might have created a quality, objective measure of where someone lies on a grand spectrum of reality.
The only thing they plausibly did well is measure deltas, which is why that's the focus of the discussion.
"The editorial board of the Washington Post was worried enough to devote a column to the dangers to the fertility rate of liberal women refusing to date conservative men."
--- What are they "worried" about exactly? Are liberal women "worried" about their fertility rate? If they are not worried what makes the Washington Post think they should or would consider dating convservative men? Is the WP hoping those women will convert to conservatism via dating conservaative men? There's enough liberal men out there for the liberal women who are "worried" about their fertility. If conservative men are so concerned then they should adapt and drop their conservative politics and see if dating opportunities increase.
Maybe worried about the 40% of US states have shared custody as a default. Otherwise, it goes to the mother. Can you imagine? ONLY 40 PERCENT of states anll the while promoting egalitarianism during the marriage.
In that case why would they want liberal women to date conservative men? How will that increased the shared custody rate? And tell the Manosphere/Red Pill that 40% US states have shared custody. They think it's 0%.
It's not a good idea. It's like religion. Sure, ideally, maybe people of different religions should date/marry. And sometimes they do. But in the cases where inter-religious marriages succeed, neither spouse is very deeply involved in their respective religions. But if a person is very deeply involved in their religion, they want someone from their own religion and indeed, it may even be forbidden by their religion to marry someone outside of it. Same with politics. If the spouses are quiet voters and don't talk about their political views very much, it can work. But if they are deeply into it - activists or very vocal or keyboard warriors for one political party or another, it probably wouldn't work and I don't see why someone for whom a political party is that important to them and becomes their identity, would even want to be with someone who is the same but in the opposite direction.
Men are more attracted to logos, the territory of the right.
Women are more attracted to mythos, the territory of the left.
We must pay more attention to young men? I don't have the capacity for that. Right now, all of my attention is on the the six 19 to 24-year old boys who have taken over the entire US Treasury Payment System of the United States, who have no experience with the system and work for Elon Musk in "DOGE". If you don't know what I'm talking about, this just happened yesterday and y'all better get caught up on the news, fast! Sh_t is going down!
Six Men Between Ages 19 and 24 Are Running Musk's Takeover of Sensitive Government Payment Systems:
https://www.joemygod.com/2025/02/six-men-between-ages-19-and-24-are-running-musks-takeover-of-sensitive-government-payment-systems/
I am truly tired of the situation for boys and young men being described as compared to young women. IF it truly ISN'T about Girls doing well--- then leave them out of it completely.
Compare young men to .... Ants. or. Trees. or....??
You are doing a disservice if you have my Grandson see himself only as compared to young women.!!!
Modern men "identifying with feminism".
That's a good one! 😅
I would toss out that young men are perhaps moving further right due to the change from "Equality" to "Equity" and not necessarily, related to gender. As anyone researched this angle? I keep searching but haven't found any research yet.
Richard, the issue you are missing is that feminist women don't care about men, and never have. That is why they are called feminists. Feminists in Congress funded women's health, but ignored men's health. Unaddressed male health issues include the fact that there are 4 times more male suicides than female suicides. Men instinctively grasped that they have been short-changed by feminists in the political realm, and will seek out the Party of Men.
I wonder how many of those alienated men are going to embrace Christianity. I'm seeing sprouts of that movement happening.
Have you listened to Plain English with Derek Thompson (podcast)? He's been on top of this in this election cycle since the data started coming out.
" Is the problem we're trying to understand why the gap in ideologies is widening between men and women? "
Most young women will not support state policies that go against their interests and wellbeing.
Most young men reject feminism, and the party of feminism, because they know that feminists in government have no concern for men. And, it's apparent that you don't have concern for men, either.
This is not a new problem.; you describe similar stories in 1958 and 1975. Yet the failure rate of boys and young men is skyrocketing. Why? Today the discussion is so angry and adversarial. So much emphasis on toxic masculinity. Very little discussion about masculinity that they don't consider toxic.
The toxic masculinists are very popular with boys on social media.
Toxic feminists like you are abundant, and post on forums that are concerned for men.
I guessed you'd be clueless on this.
Candace Owens is most definitely not a feminist.
Megan Kelly is definitely not a feminist.
Ann Coulter is definitely not a feminist.
Lauren Southern is definitely not a feminist.
I've no idea who the rest are, but I'm pretty convinced they are as much feminist as Hitler was a Rabbi.
I'll ask, everyone assuming that males choosing to vote right wing is a bad thing while not stating females voting more left wing is also a bad thing.
Why is right wing politics wrong and left wing politics right?
I saw a guy giving a talk and answering questions.
A lefty called him a Nazi.
He responded with, "Can you name any right-wing political party that have the word 'socialist' in their name"
Then he talked about right wing government means less government not more, the Nazis had an enormous governmen reaching into people's lives.
So I ask, what exactly is wrong with voting right wing, compared to voting left wing?
I’ve heard kids going around calling other kids “Hitler” but have also heard one (in Scandinavia!) call another “a Stalin” as a pejorative and even a “Mao”.
There’s hope.
But the schools need to teach that horseshoe theory and the moral equivalence between nsdap, ccp and cpsu. Certainly the latter murdered more, if typically for political rather than racial reasons.
Your point around less government sounds more libertarian/indivhdual/freedom oriented, whilst most associate right wing with top down conservatism.
The linear “political spectrum” was as much a govt scam as the “food pyramid”
But basically we were all taught that right wing is bad and left wing a welfare state, “fairness” and equity. While in reality some animals are more equal than others and deterioration is inevitable. Even there vaunted Scandinavian welfare long depended on cheap Eastern European labor and imports (and currently imported labor as we don’t know how to build much without polish and Ukrainian muscle)
Does anyone here have links to studies showing that “men’s violence against women has escalated”.
I read this every day, especially on LinkedIn, but without a shred of hard evidence. Like here https://www.linkedin.com/posts/sarah-nelson-41b775200_these-last-few-weeks-have-been-alarming-activity-7188827623261667329-LsAC?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios
Typically there’s an anecdotal reference to a specific event - which is not the same thing as a factual trend (even if it is heart wrenching).
I see this now in reference to this murderous vengeful hate crime in Australia.
My understanding was that men’s violence toward women was FALLING not increasing and I’ve not seen evidence otherwise.
The narrative has always been that if women have more power then the violence will diminish (see https://plan4womenssafety.dss.gov.au/resources/what-is-violence-against-women/) . Is that not thus happening?
I also wonder why the goal is only to end violence against women? https://www.unwomen.org/en/what-we-do/ending-violence-against-women/facts-and-figures
UN Women are rabid feminists. There is no such thing as UN Men.
Research going back to the 1970s, starting with Suzanne Steinmetz, Murray Straus and Richard Gelles, has found that women batter men as often as the converse., Those fiindings have been replicated many times over the following years and decades. Feminist thugs made death threats against the three research sociologists, right after they published their findings.
The "rightward movement of young men" consists of having realized that the Left is lying about some things and then, upon breaking that ground initially, being able to realize that the Left is lying about many more things.
They are not going off some deep end; they are still to the Left of the 20th Century center.
Power is redistributed via leftist policies and tactics.
Looking at the charts above, this appears correct in the Western countries. In the US and Germany charts, young men are split more or less evenly, and in the UK, young men are majority liberal. The more dramatic trend in all three countries is how far to the left young women are.
(South Korea being the outlier exception; young men there do appear to be seriously right-wing.)
You are placing a lot of faith in the methodology of the charts. It is almost impossible that they might have created a quality, objective measure of where someone lies on a grand spectrum of reality.
The only thing they plausibly did well is measure deltas, which is why that's the focus of the discussion.
Older men must pay more attention to young men.
Spot on
"The editorial board of the Washington Post was worried enough to devote a column to the dangers to the fertility rate of liberal women refusing to date conservative men."
--- What are they "worried" about exactly? Are liberal women "worried" about their fertility rate? If they are not worried what makes the Washington Post think they should or would consider dating convservative men? Is the WP hoping those women will convert to conservatism via dating conservaative men? There's enough liberal men out there for the liberal women who are "worried" about their fertility. If conservative men are so concerned then they should adapt and drop their conservative politics and see if dating opportunities increase.
Maybe worried about the 40% of US states have shared custody as a default. Otherwise, it goes to the mother. Can you imagine? ONLY 40 PERCENT of states anll the while promoting egalitarianism during the marriage.
Makes no sense to a Scandinavian
In that case why would they want liberal women to date conservative men? How will that increased the shared custody rate? And tell the Manosphere/Red Pill that 40% US states have shared custody. They think it's 0%.
Very good questions
Opposites attract?
Avoid civil war?
Love triumphs?
It's not a good idea. It's like religion. Sure, ideally, maybe people of different religions should date/marry. And sometimes they do. But in the cases where inter-religious marriages succeed, neither spouse is very deeply involved in their respective religions. But if a person is very deeply involved in their religion, they want someone from their own religion and indeed, it may even be forbidden by their religion to marry someone outside of it. Same with politics. If the spouses are quiet voters and don't talk about their political views very much, it can work. But if they are deeply into it - activists or very vocal or keyboard warriors for one political party or another, it probably wouldn't work and I don't see why someone for whom a political party is that important to them and becomes their identity, would even want to be with someone who is the same but in the opposite direction.
I see your point
But anecdotally I’ve seen some of the best most passionate couples have been with her on the bleeding heart left and him on dispassionate right🙂
Key word there being "DISpassionate". If he's "passionate" about "the right"... the 'ship won't last.