Whaaa 😭. First it was Toxic Masculinity and now Manuspere?. But I want a label I can easily spout 😂😂. Thank you Richard. You once again provided what I feel is most important for our men today: Mentorship & Rights of Passage.
This survey/poll that Reeves ran, if you ran it 50-60 years ago the results would be the same. Providing for your family has always been the biggest driver of the majority of young/men. You can go across many cultures, this is one thing every male that I have come across has in common. That you need a confirmation of this very fact is astounding.
What gender role is outdated? I’m confused by the indictment of the past. Also what’s with the obsession with polling? Speak from your heart and experience once in a while.
Nice to see that most of Reeves' readers are onto him as a feminist hypocrite. I wonder how long it will take him to listen to the men who confront him rather than just banning them like any good Lying in a Room of One's Own gender bigot does. It's so easy for Reeves to shill swill for feminists in his world of elite Idiot Yet Intellectuals (see Nassim Taleb) or at least it WAS until the the Trumpster (a fairly sorry male specimen but one with a pleasing knack for blowing up the narrative of far sorrier female specimens) came along.
Amen. I can’t speak to what Gen Alpha thinks but my peers are all good husbands and devoted fathers. Sad that some think these examples of healthy masculinity are anomalous.
" a mature man is to give more than you get. It is not about freedom; it is about service."
What a load of subservient shit.
More messaging to get men back on the plantation.
Circumcision, men don't even own their own so called "private parts".
The male only draft, another insult to "equality".
Child support, alimony and spousal support - all unconstitutional slavery.
Women can abort but men cannot opt out of parenthood.
No man should ever benefit anyone else if they don't give him the same freedoms and protections as other groups.
Never serve those that support circumcision emasculation mutilation sexual abuse of boys, the male only draft, dogshit marriage law, and the likes.
You're such a sell out.
You're weak and deceptive.
Pathetic.
Let's not forget about the circumcision violent male genital mutilation child sexual abuse solely perpetrated upon boys for a hundred years in the so called land of "freedom and liberty" USA, so much freedom yet men don't own their own cocks.
Not to mention all of the disgusting and debased cruel jokes about circumcision and the shaming of foreskin in crappy Hollywood garbage films and banal sitcoms.
Men don't have basic genital integrity and body autonomy for a century in a land where people see themselves as world leaders and the most moral and ethical! Such evil misandrist hypocrisy.
Women talk about my body my choice, and society is blind to the routine sexual mutilation and fight flight freeze trauma that is perpetrated upon baby boys.
Also, women have optional motherhood, but fatherhood is forced and at the mercy of the woman and the state. Men don't have reproductive rights either.
Then there's the male only draft, but I digress.
Circumcision is violent blade rape.
Europe, Japan, the majority of the world - knows better.
That's actual rape culture.
Foregen is a biotech company raising money for the final phase 3 of 3 human trials on GoFundMe.
They are regenerating foreskins through regenerative medicine to reverse circumcision mutilation.
They've already had successful phase 2 animal trials and have received millions on donations.
They're almost ready to be public.
Over 6500+ species of mammals have foreskins, it is not a mistake.
It has the majority of nerve endings and sensitivity of the penis. More pleasure, lubrication, less excessive friction WHICH ACTUALLY REDUCES DISEASE TRANSMISSION! YES, YOU HEARD THAT RIGHT. CIRCUMCISION=MORE FRICTION=MORE MICRO CUTS AND ABRASIONS=MORE HIV TRANSMISSION AND STDs - look it up.
European medical associations know how disgusting and crippling circumcision is.
Iceland almost banned circumcision but the selfish ADL and the USA pressured them not to. They will vote in a few years again to try to ban it again.
I hope they do.
Any culture that circumcises is not ethical or modern, but they are child sexual abusers and traumatizers.
No argument about it.
Also, they sell baby boy foreskin cells online as HFF, neonatal human foreskin fibroblasts, for $500 a vial in Sigma Aldrich and other biotech firms.
Circumcision and foreskin is a billion dollar industry.
Cosmetic companies can test their product on foreskin fibroblasts and then say they are CRUELTY FREE on their packaging! Why! Because they didn't test on the precious animals! Animals that are cared for more than human baby boys.
Crucial that we are informed by data and not by a Netflix drama. Lost count of the number of times the “Adolescence” show is thrown around as if it were real.
I do in-depth research interviews with men about manhood and their motivations. These men are from all walks of life. During these interviews I ask men about their earliest masculine influences, current masculine role models and to describe times when they've felt most and least like a man. In a recent study I asked young men who were still living with their parents all of these questions and more. These study participants could have been working or not but were out of school and at the age when they would traditionally have been expected to be on their own. Honestly, I wanted to get underneath the stereotype of the freeloading gamer guy sitting in the basement and mooching off of his parents.
Among the men I talked to, it was clear this stereotype was far from the truth. The underlying motivation that kept them at home was feeing safe -- financially and emotionally. They also felt more connected than they thought they would feel living on their own.
Relative to Mr. Reeves' piece, four themes emerged among the men they admired and the man they wanted to be. Providing, protecting, persevering and being present. All of the young men told stories of fathers or other male figures who demonstrated these characteristics.
I don't believe these men -- and the vast majority I've talked with in other studies -- want to exhibit a traditional or more modern form of masculinity. They just don't think or talk that way. These narratives mean less to them than just being a good person.
Your entire mission making the premise about "modern masculinity" as some psychological processing issue is basically the easiest message for feminists to adopt. Precisely because it precludes criticism of that and and is compatible with stereotyping men, just in a reframed way.
Re "Most men, especially dads, say that supporting his family financially (80% among men overall, 84% among dads) and taking care of his kids (76% and 83%) make a man more masculine, even more than say the same of working a full-time job (71% and 76%), which many traditionally associate with masculinity."
This poll is too top-level, to me, thereby hiding a fundamental problem. Yes, providing for your young and nurturing them is good--and a pretty low bar to clear. We are mammals, after all, and only a sociopath would think otherwise. The real issue, HOW men think it's masculine to support their families and take care of their kids.
For example, for my Gen X generation and certainly the Boomers before us, having a job was considered enough when we were growing up, even if (and perhaps especially if) that job took us away from our families. We were sacrificing ourselves for them. It was important to have a certain type of job; cf. the hard work-soft work divide. And having that job also counted as taking care of the kids by providing and being an example. The real day to day work of taking care of the kids was coded female, though, and men avoided it.
So do those men consider changing diapers, giving baths, helping with homework, reading before bed and the endless shuttling, not to mention cleaning the house, masculine? Or, like Trump once said, do they scoff at the idea of "pushing the pram"? Do they coach on the weekends, but not listen every day? Do they consider their children people or property? And, most importantly, will they give up aspects of their careers, the way women have to, to be home and do these things (and thereby perhaps support their wives' own careers)?
I think a lot of men of my generation--or at least a lot of men of my class, race, educational level and geographic area--are expanding the definition of masculinity in terms of support and childcare. I suspect that younger generations will do more than us. But I'd like these polls to dig deeper and confirm that.
The younger generation appears increasingly hesitant to embrace traditional responsibilities, as reflected in declining birth rates and lower rates of relationship and marriage formation. A key oversight in many discussions about generational dynamics—particularly regarding Gen X—is the mutual nature of past sacrifices: men often bore the burden of physical labor and provision outside the home, while women assumed the demanding role of caregiving within it.
By contrast, today’s youth have been raised with a degree of comfort and insulation that has arguably diminished their tolerance for personal sacrifice, which it seems doesn't get any credit today anyway. A striking number of young men are not actively seeking relationships, which suggests a broader reluctance to take on roles that historically demanded self-denial and long-term commitment. Their implicit message is clear: they value their autonomy above all else (same as young women), and they are not willing to compromise it.
What awaits those who do sacrifice today? Often, it’s ungrateful children, partners dissatisfied with the outcomes of shared burdens, and a society perceived as transactional, draining resources that men spend their lives acquiring, and unappreciative of those traditional sacrifices. Expanding the definition of masculinity to include support and childcare is a well-intentioned gesture, but it risks sounding tone-deaf as it pretends mothers did all the work and paid a steep personal cost. From the perspective of many young men, this version of masculinity offers little reward and even less appeal.
The issue isn't just a failure of messaging; it’s a failure to recognize that today’s generation is responding rationally to what they see around them. You can redefine roles, but you can’t force people to aspire to models they don’t see as beneficial or fulfilling. Where is the incentive for this new masculinity? It's more likely that there is a divorce, alimony or some type of servitude at the end.
Lots of good points here, but I think you're mixing a bunch of different things.
1. Why is anyone's responsibility to have kids and get married? The fundamental strength of America is that, unlike every other country in the world facing population declines among citizens, we don't need to generate our own children; we can bring in more immigrants.
2. Marriage was once necessary for women because, for example, they couldn't get a credit card with out a man co-signing until 1973 or they would socially shamed as a spinster (or as a slut if they wanted the steak, but didn't want to buy the steer). Now they don't need men financially or socially as much, and many men can't figure how to be wanted instead of required. Why should a woman marry one of them? Of course, these men likely blame women for being picky when they should be figuring out how to be worthy of being picked.
3. The comfort of these men today is really the problem with forgetting what it was like to be an immigrant: sacrificing for your kids and having the will and imagination to succeed in a country where many citizens refuse to admit they need you.
4. "Often, it’s ungrateful children, partners dissatisfied with the outcomes of shared burdens, and a society perceived as transactional, draining resources that men spend their lives acquiring, and unappreciative of those traditional sacrifices." Adults have been complaining about ungrateful, disrespectful children since Plato; and King Lear is all about it. But you're right that, when everything is society is about money, then it's about nothing.
5. "Expanding the definition of masculinity to include support and childcare is a well-intentioned gesture, but it risks sounding tone-deaf as it pretends mothers did all the work and paid a steep personal cost." You're joking, right? Women were once assumed, not just expected to abandon their careers to stay home and take care of her kids, and there are still many older men today (especially Christians) who see childcare as women's work or in the feminine sphere and thus beneath them. I have to say, if I were on a dating app, I wouldn't include pictures of me shirtless on a boat having fun, I'd show myself doing the dishes and vacuuming the house (my wife cooks, I clean).
That said, the obvious discussion that Republicans don't want to have is, if you want people to get married and have families, don't make it impossibly expensive and inconvenient--to the point of being punitive--to get married and have children (which includes the decision to not have children too).
Thank you. I know so many young men who are struggling, one of my son's included. But it's not what so many people here seem to blame. It's not a zero sum game, as they seem to imply. It's not that the world briefly focused on helping girls get over the old 'girls can't do math or science well'. It's not toxic masculinity, whatever they claim that is. Focusing on false causes is hurting the effort to actually come to a plan to help young men who are struggling.
This article is on target. Young men are men and are masculine. The old school view of men, and I guess where they get 'toxic masculinty' from, that men are crude, rude, egotistical, uber competetive, rough, sex driven, and need to be in charge is no longer true, if it ever was. Some men certainly aspired to those things, since they were being told that's what they needed to be to be a 'man'.
Let the new generation define masculinity....old farts shut up.
Let's get to the bottom of this and find a way to help the young, super intelligent, but super struggling males, to find their own place in the world.
I don't have the answers, but am hopeful ACTUAL INTELLIGENT conversation on the issue might help. Simply saying it's because we've helped women too much IS NOT HELPING.
For one, I support more opportunity for all, men and women, in the trades. Sorry to sound racist, but I'm tired of not finding anyone but people from south of the border working in the trades. Let's find a path for young american kids to get into those fields!!!
I would love to see a law that penalishes women more for a felony than a man... (instead of the other way around, like exist in so many countries).
And the empathy gap.
And the dating market gap.
And the public expending gap.
And the emancipation date gap.
And the home ownership gap.
And so and so on...
Or... you may just leave people free, and allow society to create its own natural rules. Of course, this would mean getting rid of gender quotas and helping women.
I would love to see what women will do when they stop having public help. IF with all this help they havent even managed to reach partiy, I cannot imagine where they would be without help...
Yep, and the draft gap in the US. And the housing gap, and the health budget gap. Without the public help it would be their partners helping. In many ways the dependence on men has imply become a dependence on the state. No independence.
Indeed. Look at Ukraine: women can run away and men cannot. But feminist (including Reeves) are silent about that. You would not find Reeves critizing that from Ukraine.
Men continue to pay for women independence... the differente? This time is not our wifes, but women randomly, and it is through taxes so men cannot say no... That's the reason why taxes have increase so much in Western Europe: they had to hire millions and millions of women that would have never find a job outside the state. Europe is even worst...
Making women independent have made men slaves.
And the problem for Reeves is the manosphere... ha!
To PR and avi...would you be willing to participate in one of my studies on manhood? Primarily I'm interested in how men of all beliefs, ages, lifestyles, etc. navigate the often conflicting expectations of manhood.
I don’t "navigate the conflicting expectations of manhood" and this is not "about stuff guys don't typically talk about." Just that suggestions entails taking a view on manhood and pre-answers any question. Again: a biased left creating the answering instead of listening what people is really saying. You dont really want to hear what we are saying, you are presuming that there is a conflict of "expectations of mandhood" (when there is none) and guys dont typically talk about it.
The only real conflict men has faced in the past 20 years is figuring out how to get rid of the discrimination created by the left and modern feminism against men. The only real conflict that the left has right now is how to explain women that this was bad, and that we need to raise men again...
From time to time, I dedicate some effort to supporting the cause - including, one of my favourite actions, exposing the hypocrisy of Reeves.
I think one of the reasons why there is this warped discussion around "toxic masculinity" and young men is that social media increases the frequency with which low-value information is spread. It's easier than ever before to post ideological rage-bait (on any subject) and amplify that message so that people are way more exposed to it than they would be in the pre-social media era. This is especially true with the way social media algorithmns feed on our addiction to the outlandish and the inflammatory. This is how guys fall down the manosphere rabbithole after watching a few videos from LibsofTikTok, or how prominent intellectuals broaden the concept of "toxic masculinity" beyond its original narrow boundaries.
Whaaa 😭. First it was Toxic Masculinity and now Manuspere?. But I want a label I can easily spout 😂😂. Thank you Richard. You once again provided what I feel is most important for our men today: Mentorship & Rights of Passage.
Manosphere is already being used in overly broad ways.
It's not uncommon to see fitness content being put under 'manosphere' and called 'right coded'
Good to see evidence that young men are not all lost and in need of saving.
This survey/poll that Reeves ran, if you ran it 50-60 years ago the results would be the same. Providing for your family has always been the biggest driver of the majority of young/men. You can go across many cultures, this is one thing every male that I have come across has in common. That you need a confirmation of this very fact is astounding.
https://open.substack.com/pub/archwinger/p/nothing-red-pills-you-like-a-woman?r=k7sg9&utm_medium=ios
What gender role is outdated? I’m confused by the indictment of the past. Also what’s with the obsession with polling? Speak from your heart and experience once in a while.
Nice to see that most of Reeves' readers are onto him as a feminist hypocrite. I wonder how long it will take him to listen to the men who confront him rather than just banning them like any good Lying in a Room of One's Own gender bigot does. It's so easy for Reeves to shill swill for feminists in his world of elite Idiot Yet Intellectuals (see Nassim Taleb) or at least it WAS until the the Trumpster (a fairly sorry male specimen but one with a pleasing knack for blowing up the narrative of far sorrier female specimens) came along.
Amen. I can’t speak to what Gen Alpha thinks but my peers are all good husbands and devoted fathers. Sad that some think these examples of healthy masculinity are anomalous.
" a mature man is to give more than you get. It is not about freedom; it is about service."
What a load of subservient shit.
More messaging to get men back on the plantation.
Circumcision, men don't even own their own so called "private parts".
The male only draft, another insult to "equality".
Child support, alimony and spousal support - all unconstitutional slavery.
Women can abort but men cannot opt out of parenthood.
No man should ever benefit anyone else if they don't give him the same freedoms and protections as other groups.
Never serve those that support circumcision emasculation mutilation sexual abuse of boys, the male only draft, dogshit marriage law, and the likes.
You're such a sell out.
You're weak and deceptive.
Pathetic.
Let's not forget about the circumcision violent male genital mutilation child sexual abuse solely perpetrated upon boys for a hundred years in the so called land of "freedom and liberty" USA, so much freedom yet men don't own their own cocks.
Not to mention all of the disgusting and debased cruel jokes about circumcision and the shaming of foreskin in crappy Hollywood garbage films and banal sitcoms.
Men don't have basic genital integrity and body autonomy for a century in a land where people see themselves as world leaders and the most moral and ethical! Such evil misandrist hypocrisy.
Women talk about my body my choice, and society is blind to the routine sexual mutilation and fight flight freeze trauma that is perpetrated upon baby boys.
Also, women have optional motherhood, but fatherhood is forced and at the mercy of the woman and the state. Men don't have reproductive rights either.
Then there's the male only draft, but I digress.
Circumcision is violent blade rape.
Europe, Japan, the majority of the world - knows better.
That's actual rape culture.
Foregen is a biotech company raising money for the final phase 3 of 3 human trials on GoFundMe.
They are regenerating foreskins through regenerative medicine to reverse circumcision mutilation.
They've already had successful phase 2 animal trials and have received millions on donations.
They're almost ready to be public.
Over 6500+ species of mammals have foreskins, it is not a mistake.
It has the majority of nerve endings and sensitivity of the penis. More pleasure, lubrication, less excessive friction WHICH ACTUALLY REDUCES DISEASE TRANSMISSION! YES, YOU HEARD THAT RIGHT. CIRCUMCISION=MORE FRICTION=MORE MICRO CUTS AND ABRASIONS=MORE HIV TRANSMISSION AND STDs - look it up.
European medical associations know how disgusting and crippling circumcision is.
Iceland almost banned circumcision but the selfish ADL and the USA pressured them not to. They will vote in a few years again to try to ban it again.
I hope they do.
Any culture that circumcises is not ethical or modern, but they are child sexual abusers and traumatizers.
No argument about it.
Also, they sell baby boy foreskin cells online as HFF, neonatal human foreskin fibroblasts, for $500 a vial in Sigma Aldrich and other biotech firms.
Circumcision and foreskin is a billion dollar industry.
Cosmetic companies can test their product on foreskin fibroblasts and then say they are CRUELTY FREE on their packaging! Why! Because they didn't test on the precious animals! Animals that are cared for more than human baby boys.
If you care about boys, say something.
Crucial that we are informed by data and not by a Netflix drama. Lost count of the number of times the “Adolescence” show is thrown around as if it were real.
I do in-depth research interviews with men about manhood and their motivations. These men are from all walks of life. During these interviews I ask men about their earliest masculine influences, current masculine role models and to describe times when they've felt most and least like a man. In a recent study I asked young men who were still living with their parents all of these questions and more. These study participants could have been working or not but were out of school and at the age when they would traditionally have been expected to be on their own. Honestly, I wanted to get underneath the stereotype of the freeloading gamer guy sitting in the basement and mooching off of his parents.
Among the men I talked to, it was clear this stereotype was far from the truth. The underlying motivation that kept them at home was feeing safe -- financially and emotionally. They also felt more connected than they thought they would feel living on their own.
Relative to Mr. Reeves' piece, four themes emerged among the men they admired and the man they wanted to be. Providing, protecting, persevering and being present. All of the young men told stories of fathers or other male figures who demonstrated these characteristics.
I don't believe these men -- and the vast majority I've talked with in other studies -- want to exhibit a traditional or more modern form of masculinity. They just don't think or talk that way. These narratives mean less to them than just being a good person.
Your entire mission making the premise about "modern masculinity" as some psychological processing issue is basically the easiest message for feminists to adopt. Precisely because it precludes criticism of that and and is compatible with stereotyping men, just in a reframed way.
Re "Most men, especially dads, say that supporting his family financially (80% among men overall, 84% among dads) and taking care of his kids (76% and 83%) make a man more masculine, even more than say the same of working a full-time job (71% and 76%), which many traditionally associate with masculinity."
This poll is too top-level, to me, thereby hiding a fundamental problem. Yes, providing for your young and nurturing them is good--and a pretty low bar to clear. We are mammals, after all, and only a sociopath would think otherwise. The real issue, HOW men think it's masculine to support their families and take care of their kids.
For example, for my Gen X generation and certainly the Boomers before us, having a job was considered enough when we were growing up, even if (and perhaps especially if) that job took us away from our families. We were sacrificing ourselves for them. It was important to have a certain type of job; cf. the hard work-soft work divide. And having that job also counted as taking care of the kids by providing and being an example. The real day to day work of taking care of the kids was coded female, though, and men avoided it.
So do those men consider changing diapers, giving baths, helping with homework, reading before bed and the endless shuttling, not to mention cleaning the house, masculine? Or, like Trump once said, do they scoff at the idea of "pushing the pram"? Do they coach on the weekends, but not listen every day? Do they consider their children people or property? And, most importantly, will they give up aspects of their careers, the way women have to, to be home and do these things (and thereby perhaps support their wives' own careers)?
I think a lot of men of my generation--or at least a lot of men of my class, race, educational level and geographic area--are expanding the definition of masculinity in terms of support and childcare. I suspect that younger generations will do more than us. But I'd like these polls to dig deeper and confirm that.
The younger generation appears increasingly hesitant to embrace traditional responsibilities, as reflected in declining birth rates and lower rates of relationship and marriage formation. A key oversight in many discussions about generational dynamics—particularly regarding Gen X—is the mutual nature of past sacrifices: men often bore the burden of physical labor and provision outside the home, while women assumed the demanding role of caregiving within it.
By contrast, today’s youth have been raised with a degree of comfort and insulation that has arguably diminished their tolerance for personal sacrifice, which it seems doesn't get any credit today anyway. A striking number of young men are not actively seeking relationships, which suggests a broader reluctance to take on roles that historically demanded self-denial and long-term commitment. Their implicit message is clear: they value their autonomy above all else (same as young women), and they are not willing to compromise it.
What awaits those who do sacrifice today? Often, it’s ungrateful children, partners dissatisfied with the outcomes of shared burdens, and a society perceived as transactional, draining resources that men spend their lives acquiring, and unappreciative of those traditional sacrifices. Expanding the definition of masculinity to include support and childcare is a well-intentioned gesture, but it risks sounding tone-deaf as it pretends mothers did all the work and paid a steep personal cost. From the perspective of many young men, this version of masculinity offers little reward and even less appeal.
The issue isn't just a failure of messaging; it’s a failure to recognize that today’s generation is responding rationally to what they see around them. You can redefine roles, but you can’t force people to aspire to models they don’t see as beneficial or fulfilling. Where is the incentive for this new masculinity? It's more likely that there is a divorce, alimony or some type of servitude at the end.
Lots of good points here, but I think you're mixing a bunch of different things.
1. Why is anyone's responsibility to have kids and get married? The fundamental strength of America is that, unlike every other country in the world facing population declines among citizens, we don't need to generate our own children; we can bring in more immigrants.
2. Marriage was once necessary for women because, for example, they couldn't get a credit card with out a man co-signing until 1973 or they would socially shamed as a spinster (or as a slut if they wanted the steak, but didn't want to buy the steer). Now they don't need men financially or socially as much, and many men can't figure how to be wanted instead of required. Why should a woman marry one of them? Of course, these men likely blame women for being picky when they should be figuring out how to be worthy of being picked.
3. The comfort of these men today is really the problem with forgetting what it was like to be an immigrant: sacrificing for your kids and having the will and imagination to succeed in a country where many citizens refuse to admit they need you.
4. "Often, it’s ungrateful children, partners dissatisfied with the outcomes of shared burdens, and a society perceived as transactional, draining resources that men spend their lives acquiring, and unappreciative of those traditional sacrifices." Adults have been complaining about ungrateful, disrespectful children since Plato; and King Lear is all about it. But you're right that, when everything is society is about money, then it's about nothing.
5. "Expanding the definition of masculinity to include support and childcare is a well-intentioned gesture, but it risks sounding tone-deaf as it pretends mothers did all the work and paid a steep personal cost." You're joking, right? Women were once assumed, not just expected to abandon their careers to stay home and take care of her kids, and there are still many older men today (especially Christians) who see childcare as women's work or in the feminine sphere and thus beneath them. I have to say, if I were on a dating app, I wouldn't include pictures of me shirtless on a boat having fun, I'd show myself doing the dishes and vacuuming the house (my wife cooks, I clean).
That said, the obvious discussion that Republicans don't want to have is, if you want people to get married and have families, don't make it impossibly expensive and inconvenient--to the point of being punitive--to get married and have children (which includes the decision to not have children too).
Thank you. I know so many young men who are struggling, one of my son's included. But it's not what so many people here seem to blame. It's not a zero sum game, as they seem to imply. It's not that the world briefly focused on helping girls get over the old 'girls can't do math or science well'. It's not toxic masculinity, whatever they claim that is. Focusing on false causes is hurting the effort to actually come to a plan to help young men who are struggling.
This article is on target. Young men are men and are masculine. The old school view of men, and I guess where they get 'toxic masculinty' from, that men are crude, rude, egotistical, uber competetive, rough, sex driven, and need to be in charge is no longer true, if it ever was. Some men certainly aspired to those things, since they were being told that's what they needed to be to be a 'man'.
Let the new generation define masculinity....old farts shut up.
Let's get to the bottom of this and find a way to help the young, super intelligent, but super struggling males, to find their own place in the world.
I don't have the answers, but am hopeful ACTUAL INTELLIGENT conversation on the issue might help. Simply saying it's because we've helped women too much IS NOT HELPING.
For one, I support more opportunity for all, men and women, in the trades. Sorry to sound racist, but I'm tired of not finding anyone but people from south of the border working in the trades. Let's find a path for young american kids to get into those fields!!!
You Focus again on the incorrect things:
The problem of men it is not the manosphste.
The problem of men is being discriminated by the left
NOW you will need to discriminate women to:
1. Solve the gender education gap.
2. Solve the Jobs casualties gap.
3. Solve the Life expectancy gap.
Yes, gender is mostly a zero sum game. And you cannot help both genders at the same time.
And the justice system gap
I would love to see a law that penalishes women more for a felony than a man... (instead of the other way around, like exist in so many countries).
And the empathy gap.
And the dating market gap.
And the public expending gap.
And the emancipation date gap.
And the home ownership gap.
And so and so on...
Or... you may just leave people free, and allow society to create its own natural rules. Of course, this would mean getting rid of gender quotas and helping women.
I would love to see what women will do when they stop having public help. IF with all this help they havent even managed to reach partiy, I cannot imagine where they would be without help...
Yep, and the draft gap in the US. And the housing gap, and the health budget gap. Without the public help it would be their partners helping. In many ways the dependence on men has imply become a dependence on the state. No independence.
Indeed. Look at Ukraine: women can run away and men cannot. But feminist (including Reeves) are silent about that. You would not find Reeves critizing that from Ukraine.
Men continue to pay for women independence... the differente? This time is not our wifes, but women randomly, and it is through taxes so men cannot say no... That's the reason why taxes have increase so much in Western Europe: they had to hire millions and millions of women that would have never find a job outside the state. Europe is even worst...
Making women independent have made men slaves.
And the problem for Reeves is the manosphere... ha!
To PR and avi...would you be willing to participate in one of my studies on manhood? Primarily I'm interested in how men of all beliefs, ages, lifestyles, etc. navigate the often conflicting expectations of manhood.
What is the study? Can you describe more detail? Is there a site?
Sorry - thanks, but no.
I don’t "navigate the conflicting expectations of manhood" and this is not "about stuff guys don't typically talk about." Just that suggestions entails taking a view on manhood and pre-answers any question. Again: a biased left creating the answering instead of listening what people is really saying. You dont really want to hear what we are saying, you are presuming that there is a conflict of "expectations of mandhood" (when there is none) and guys dont typically talk about it.
The only real conflict men has faced in the past 20 years is figuring out how to get rid of the discrimination created by the left and modern feminism against men. The only real conflict that the left has right now is how to explain women that this was bad, and that we need to raise men again...
From time to time, I dedicate some effort to supporting the cause - including, one of my favourite actions, exposing the hypocrisy of Reeves.
Cheeers
I think one of the reasons why there is this warped discussion around "toxic masculinity" and young men is that social media increases the frequency with which low-value information is spread. It's easier than ever before to post ideological rage-bait (on any subject) and amplify that message so that people are way more exposed to it than they would be in the pre-social media era. This is especially true with the way social media algorithmns feed on our addiction to the outlandish and the inflammatory. This is how guys fall down the manosphere rabbithole after watching a few videos from LibsofTikTok, or how prominent intellectuals broaden the concept of "toxic masculinity" beyond its original narrow boundaries.
There is good research about how the algorithm shapes this. It is NOT a pretty picture for user of social media.
Good. Now let's stop all these myths and bs about men now!!!!