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So many thoughts about this trend, especially as a teacher in the humanities who works with young teens. Most of what I see that perhaps contributes to the trend is fear.
Male teens are afraid of being categorized in one way or another as "weak" or "too nerdy" and it is constantly reinforced by the focus on athletic performance and its glorification in high school. The males who are supposedly good athletes are the ones heading for college. The others get the message that if you aren't a "nerd" or an amazing athlete, good luck because this culture doesn't have a place for you. The message is loud and clear when athletes get all kinds of privileges and etc. while the "typical" males are ignored by the greater culture surrounding them. As an educator, it's very unnerving and extremely frustrating to see how this pervasive attitude is dominant in nearly every HS environment and constantly upheld. Local media, parents, etc. all push the glorification of teen athletes. Quite frankly, it's toxic to so many males(and the overall academic performance of the entire student body, perhaps), but the males who are in leadership (coaches) are allowed to uphold the behavior year after year.
Honestly, it seems quite similar to how women who uphold toxic patriarchal views hurt other women. It's just bad behavior that ends up hurting everyone in some way.
I'd like to see people study how the culture of glorification of athletics connects to male mental health, and therefore perhaps contributes to the attitudes seen in the college attendance research, but also in the comments here.
WRONG. Why do women always attempt to analyze the male experience through thoughts of their own? So much of the problems today are because YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO US! We do not give a fuck about "being nerdy" WTF is that? We literally INVENTED everything that makes being a nerd possible. That shit ended in mass as we introduced the internet, napster, myspace, smartphones, and gaming. In fact now days because of nerds you can become rich and famous for being a nerd. Even the jocks are nerds and probably have some knowledge of basic coding. The dorks streaming on twitch is smashing just as many of these onlyfans flesh DJs as the Athletes. The issue is a women do is talk shit, and offer nothing, innovate nothing, and act like men. We dont need college we fuckin invented it, we wrote the books. We literally dont need that shit. What great man thats actually accomplished shit went to college? Abraham Lincoln: U.S. president; self-taught lawyer.
Elon Musk: Founder of SpaceX and Tesla; college dropout.
Steve Jobs: Co-founder of Apple; college dropout.
Mark Zuckerberg: Co-founder of Facebook; college dropout.
Richard Branson: Founder of the Virgin Group; high school dropout.
Henry Ford: Founder of Ford Motor Company; no college.
Mark Cuban: Entrepreneur and owner of the Dallas Mavericks; college dropout.
Larry Ellison: Co-founder of Oracle; college dropout.
Andrew Carnegie: Industrialist; elementary school dropout.
George Eastman: Founder of Kodak; high school dropout.
Walt Disney: Founder of Disney; high school dropout.
Thomas Edison: Inventor; primarily home-schooled.
James Cameron: Director and entrepreneur; college dropout.
Dustin Moskovitz: Co-founder of Facebook; college dropout.
Kevin O'Leary: Entrepreneur and investor; dropped out of the University of Waterloo.
Marcus Lemonis: Entrepreneur and investor; dropped out of Marquette University.
Jack Dorsey: Co-founder of Twitter; dropped out of college.
David Geffen: Founder of Geffen Records; college dropout.
Bram Cohen: BitTorrent developer; one year of college.
David Neeleman: Founder of JetBlue; college dropout.
Carl Lindner: Investor; high school dropout at 14.
Amadeo Peter Giannini: Founder of Bank of America; high school dropout.
Billy Joe McCombs: Billionaire; law school dropout.
Rob Kalin: Founder of Etsy; flunked out of high school.
Dov Charney: Founder of American Apparel; high school dropout.
Jack Ma: Founder of Alibaba; faced academic challenges but succeeded in business.
Frederick Laker: Airline entrepreneur; high school dropout.
Hyman Golden: Co-founder of Snapple; high school dropout.
Solomon Hykes: Founder of Docker; college dropout.
Andrew Jackson: U.S. president; home-schooled, became a lawyer.
Sam Houser: Co-founder of Rockstar Games; left school at a young age.
Nikola Tesla: Inventor and electrical engineer; did not complete formal education.
Tom Anderson: Co-founder of MySpace; high school dropout.
Matt Mullenweg: Co-founder of WordPress; dropped out of college.
Michael Dell: Founder of Dell; college dropout.
David Karp: Founder of Tumblr; dropped out at 15.
Reed Hastings: Co-founder of Netflix; college dropout.
Dana White: President of UFC; no formal college education.
Thomas Crapper: Plumber and businessman; credited with popularizing the flush toilet.
Frank Lloyd Wright: Architect; no formal education in architecture.
James Dyson: Inventor; college dropout.
John Paul DeJoria: Co-founder of Paul Mitchell Systems; no college education.
Jerry Yang: Co-founder of Yahoo!; PhD program dropout.
Howard Schultz: Former CEO of Starbucks; college dropout.
David A. Adler: Author and entrepreneur; college dropout.
Charles Goodyear: Inventor of vulcanized rubber; limited formal education.
Alexander Graham Bell: Inventor of the telephone; did not complete a degree.
Martin Cooper: Inventor of the handheld mobile phone; college dropout.
Gottlieb Daimler: Co-founder of Mercedes-Benz; no formal education in engineering.
William Harley: Co-founder of Harley-Davidson; did not complete a degree.
Henry Ford: Founder of Ford Motor Company; no formal education.
Karl Benz: Inventor of the first gasoline-powered car; limited formal education.
George Westinghouse: Inventor and entrepreneur; no college education.
Willis Carrier: Inventor of air conditioning; did not complete a college degree.
David Sarnoff: Pioneer in radio and television broadcasting; high school dropout.
Gordon Moore: Co-founder of Intel; college dropout.
Linus Torvalds: Creator of Linux; dropped out of university.
Philo Farnsworth: Inventor of the television; did not finish high school.
George Washington Carver: Agricultural scientist and inventor; limited formal education.
So a bunch of young men are whining that the world isn’t ENTIRELY geared in every way to cater to their every idiot whim? WHO CARES????
Dudes, grow up. As I have heard sooooo many men tell me throughout my life, no one cares about your feelings. If men fail, it’s your fault. Have you considered smiling more?
It's obvious that you are a man-hating feminist. Anyone that uses the term "whining" to describe male complaints, fits that description. I don't see how you can look in the mirror and call yourself a human being.
So all complaints by men are perfectly rational. Men ran everything forever. I don’t care what happens to all of you because it’s all your own fault. You wanted the world this way. Enjoy it.
You are funny. 54,000 American men and 8 American women died in Vietnam. They obviously didn't run a damn thing. There are a growing number of women that respect and value men, and get male issues. . They will always be happily coupled. Feminists will grow old in a houseful of cats.
I am actually happily married with two sons, none of whom think the world owes them anything because of the accident of an X chromosome and androgen receptors. As for Vietnam and all the other wars, those are men killing each other. Take up with MEN.
If your sons are falsely accused of rape, they will experience feminist jurisprudence first hand. Look for a zealous feminist prosecutor to do their best to put your sons away for decades, Plan on taking out a second mortgage to pay the lawyer's fees, and know that it still might not be enough to keep them out of prison. Brian Banks served 5 years in prison before the Innocence Project was able to free him. Oh - and the research has found that 40-60% of rape accusations are false.
If your husband gets prostate cancer, he will learn that your feminist sisters made sure that many times more taxpayer funds are spent on breast cancer than prostate cancer.
If your husband gets prostate cancer, he will learn that your feminist sisters made sure that there was vastly more funding for breast cancer than prostate cancer. That is one way among many that women kill men.
Have fun with your cats. Know that most men won't go near a feminist, me included. We go for the growing number of women that respect and value men, and find feminism as laughable as I do.
I would be curious if men are merely opting for more traditionally blue-collar of work because that's where the earning potentially is now. Why get a bachelors degree and take on $100,000 of non-dischargeable debt to make $60,000 a year when you can be a union electrician/carpenter/plumber and make 20% more without all of the student loan overhead after a similar investment in time? I think some men are realizing that college just simply is not worth the investment. I would be curious for AIBM to explore the reality of this.
Plus, as great as endorsing HEAL careers may be, you seem to be missing a very important metric when it comes to career selection: mating opportunity. If I may speak plainly, nobody's trying to fuck a social worker or a kindergarten teacher; their pay is shit and they have no cultural cachet. You would need a sizable financial investment in compensation for these fields that I simply don't believe as possible.
Highly technical and consequential careers will always require a university education. However, many other careers simply don't - and we shouldn't be hoodwinking young people into taking on surreal amounts of debt for them.
I want to dwell on this point for a second to give it some much needed emphasis. From the outside looking in, many university degrees seem either bloated beyond belief, or completely redundant.
At the same time, it is incredible how much university graduates don’t know. How is it possible for someone to receive 16 years of education and still require on the job training?
I had teachers in high school nearly cured me from a reading affliction. It was in the 11th grade when I first experienced such overt hostility as a dude. Between the essay (I still remember the title these thirty years later): "Man as a False Generic" and the imposition of reading of The Stone Angel by the other pessimistic Canadian Margaret. It was horrible.
My teacher seemed to think that we boys were to be cured from being boys. She wanted to liberate us from the patriarchy. We hated her and wanted to liberate her from living. Luckily, the next year I had a great teacher who at the time noticed how boys learning seemed to be dropping off. That was in 1991.
Crap teachers with axes to grind against men have been with us for decades. We are now reaping what was sewn by an anti boy / anti man presence in schools...
The therapy profession is even worse. I was the only born as a man man in my school of seventy students over the four years. There were some manufactured men, built on belief. But I was the only bio-dude.
Given that the APA wants to cure men of masculinity, the problem of colleges turning pink has implications that reach much further than mere academic achievement.
V interesting data. I imagine there is a link here between the gender divide in college enrolments/achievements and the increasing divide in political/value orientations between young men and young women. I'm writing from the UK where this is becoming more evident, but I believe in the US there is already something like a 30-point difference in young people's value orientations.
I became interested in the gender divide in educational achievement because the material pay/careers returns do not accrue to women (at whatever age - the gender pay and careers gap is especially big in older age groups). That's why I wrote The Paula Principle book, in which I argued that male career patterns need to change in order for women to get the due returns to their competences. But I see now that male under-achievement is a growing issue.
Quote: "I imagine there is a link here between the gender divide in college enrolments/achievements and the increasing divide in political/value orientations between young men and young women. I'm writing from the UK where this is becoming more evident, but I believe in the US there is already something like a 30-point difference in young people's value orientations."
Universities once had a 5 to one left to right orientation. Now that has become more like 25 to 1. Progressive politics are no longer fact based. They have become a religion.
Universities no longer function to develop critical thought. They are institutions of left wing religious indoctrination.
I have been encouraging boys not to attend university as here in Canada there is a critical mass that is hostile to straight white dudes in universities. They are there to be crapped on, derided and blamed for things they did not do to people who are no longer alive by people they did not hurt.
Straight white true born men are told to shut up and stand aside because of 'privlidge'. It souds like your work was the kind of crap that paved the way for more of these socialist cultural eugenics practices that have been so damaging.
As I retire from the Board of The Joshua Project (JP4Men.org), a non-profit dedicated to providing meaningful rites-of-passage experiences for young men moving into the meaning of mature masculinity, I feel a need to shine a light. We have mentioned in earlier posts that we appear to be lacking any societal rituals or norms that help boys develop in a healthy way. Our posts discussed young men and their lack of .. uh .. ‘college completion’? We ruminated on this as resulting from a gap in our societal focus. We are correct. I just did not feel our conclusions went deep enough.
From everything I have seen, we, as a society, are unable to find space to allow men, and more specifically young men, to explore their archetypical balance. These boys need to discover who they are, how they should act, and what their future holds. They need to find their place as adults in our communities. You know, they need to become mature men.
In calling for a focus on the maturation of young men I am not looking to diminish the justly deserved push towards gender equality, or the expanding role of women in our society. As a father of two successful young women, I have seen the societal pressures on young women and applaud our efforts to make sure that every girl can develop into the strong, mature woman she wants to be. Nor am I talking about what the internet, magazines or media think either one of our genders ‘ought to be’, or how they should interact.
What I am referring to is the breakdown in our society in the instruction of how boys become men. Boys do not need understanding or pity. They need role models and the tools to become the strong, mature men they want to be. As our society has changed, and our expectations of men has been altered, our failure to provide those tools has the potential to lead to disastrous results.
I suppose the foregoing paragraph can be considered my theory statement. But it leaves a question to be answered. Can I “prove we have this issue”?
As we have shifted our educational focus almost exclusively on preparation for college, we have diminished traditionally male careers. Shop class and vo-tech training appears as an afterthought. Young men who are interested in these pursuits are too often looked down upon as second-class citizens, almost as if we are asking whether a young man can pursue a trade and still be ‘useful to society’. With the push towards college as the ultimate goal for high school students, women have outpaced men in academia, and seem better poised to take advantage of this focus. It feels as if it points to a maturation difference between the sexes. Studies show this is true. (Of Boys to Men)
The seeming frustration among boys with these expectations has shown itself in some troubling statistics, like suicide rates. More young males commit suicide than young females. The reason for this may be complex, but clearly we are failing these young men.
In the book “King, Warrior, Magician, Lover: Rediscovering the Archetypes of the Mature Masculine”, Jungian psychologists Robert Moore and Douglas Gillette argue that males are genetically born with four archetypes. The King, the Warrior, the Magician, and the Lover. Yes, inherited genetic archetypes. We tend to shy away from such designations because of the propensity of some to bend such concepts into ideologies of domination. However, as Moore and Gillette show, these archetypes transcend time, are intrinsic to all men, and have nothing to do with supremacy nor superiority.
How does a young man be a “King” without knowing what a King truly is? Does he understand that a King is someone who takes control of his PERSONAL realm? Can a young man even control that realm? Even if he can, does he understand how to use that control in a positive way for both himself and those around him?
The other archetypes provide similar opportunities for positive mature growth. The “Magician” promotes the power of knowledge, initiation and transformation. The “Warrior” recognizes a tendency toward aggressive action, but channels that in a positive way to meet goals. The “Lover” revels in our connection to others and the world around us.
A failure to recognize these archetypes allows their shadow to predominate, and immature males to emerge. The Magician becomes a hoarder of knowledge, doing nothing constructive with it. The Warrior vacillates between misspent aggression and inaction. The Lover becomes self-centered and manipulative.
These shadows of the male archetypes need to be exposed for what they are. Dead ends. But without the tools, knowledge, and technology to be successful how are young men going to properly channel these instincts? Are they going to get that guidance from Movies? Video games? School? Da Boys? Gangs? Jackin’ a car may make a kid appear strong to his buddies, but it does not make a man.
How does a dude learn this stuff? What can we do?
Well, I guess the first step is awareness of the fact that the pendulum has swung away from raising healthy boys to become men in their mature fullness. We have left the boys behind. More men need to step up and get involved.
At the Joshua Project we seek to provide meaningful rites of passage for young men moving into manhood. We look to encourage adult/youth mentoring relationships that can help steer boys to understand the drives within them and properly channel those drives. We use the archetypes as a means of creating compassionate, perceptive, discerning men.
So, as I step away from my official capacity, I am worried. I wish I could have done more. I am not going to quit helping and being involved, but younger men than I need to step up. We have work to do.
It seems clear to me that the reason boys are disproportionately likely to apply to more colleges than girls if affirmative action is outlawed is that white women benefit from affirmative action but white boys don’t.
Girls have higher grades and test scores than boys. They are (on average) stronger college applicants. They also graduate from college with higher grades than boys. Many selective colleges literally have to lower the standard if they want gender parity in schools. Some have hewed closer to the meritocratic standard and just admitted more girls.
Reeves has written extensively about this gender gap and the complex reasons why it exists. "Affirmative action for girls" is not an accurate explanation of the gender gap. In fact, for the reasons stated above, affirmative action is helping boys get into college.
Can’t both be true though - girls are on average outperforming, but in an individual case that is a close call the edge would be given to a female that has slightly lower credentials than a male applicant because of affirmative action?
I’ve encouraged men towards entrepreneurship. Per B. Franklin’s autobiography:
The two works I allude to, Sir, will in particular give a noble rule and example of self-education. School and other education constantly proceed upon false principles, and shew a clumsy apparatus pointed at a false mark; but your apparatus is simple, and the mark a true one; and while parents and young persons are left destitute of other just means of estimating and becoming prepared for a reasonable course in life, your discovery that the thing is in many a man’s private power, will be invaluable!
There’s always one guy and he’s always a guy. No wonder they’re not welcome:
“In their ongoing efforts to promote women, these institutions have to be careful not to inadvertently send a message that men are less welcome on campus than men.”
From an immigrant's point of view (multiple immigrants, actually) American universities are some of the very best in the world and to have access to them is a privilege, although expensive. Sure, there are some "useless" degree programs but if you choose correctly, you can get a lot out of university and also get a good job from your well-chosen degree. People in some other countries are practically dying to get a chance to get into an American university. Americans need to cultivate gratitude.
"Curiously, men are nearly twice as likely as women to say the Court’s ruling will impact their decision to pursue a degree (56% vs. 30%), even though the ruling has no bearing on the consideration of gender in the admissions process. Moreover, some colleges report adopting affirmative action policies in favor of men as a means of combatting an increasing gender skew toward women on campus."
--- I'm wondering how much of this has to do with the (true or not) long-standing American cultural meme that white men are envious of black men.
Conservatives are all over the news, podcasts, and social media saying college is a scam and nobody should go. I guess they're encouraging "the trades"? At the same time they are railing against illegal immigration, people that fill the high-turnover rate jobs that Americans won't work no matter the pay like slaughterhouse employment. So if their anti-immigrant rhetoric succeeds who's going to fill the slaughterhouse jobs, tomato picking jobs, etc until robots can? You guessed it - all those Americans without a college degree. At least that's what they're hoping. And that's also why they are worried about the "birth rate". Do the math. These conservatives are clever.
Not conflated but under the same umbrella. Many from both demographics are doing the work we won't do for any pay but the illegal immigrants even moreso. American economy depends on it.
Pretty incredible stat that the share of men enrolled in college the fall after high school is now the same as it was in 1964. I wonder how civil rights efforts in the south helped influence those numbers given this is just 10 years after brown v board of education
"Girls Who Code, The Future is Female, She can STEM, Black Girl Magic, and so on. These are wonderful messages of course."
Yep, nothing like explicit sexism for "wonderful messages".
"It is a remarkable and largely wonderful story. "
Sure, blatant sexism is "largely wonderful".
As your own post shows, women achieved parity in college admission 44 years ago. We've had 44 years of utterly gratuitous sexism that is explicit, open, and celebrated.
And then, we wonder why fewer men go to college. Gee, that's a tough one. :-/
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So many thoughts about this trend, especially as a teacher in the humanities who works with young teens. Most of what I see that perhaps contributes to the trend is fear.
Male teens are afraid of being categorized in one way or another as "weak" or "too nerdy" and it is constantly reinforced by the focus on athletic performance and its glorification in high school. The males who are supposedly good athletes are the ones heading for college. The others get the message that if you aren't a "nerd" or an amazing athlete, good luck because this culture doesn't have a place for you. The message is loud and clear when athletes get all kinds of privileges and etc. while the "typical" males are ignored by the greater culture surrounding them. As an educator, it's very unnerving and extremely frustrating to see how this pervasive attitude is dominant in nearly every HS environment and constantly upheld. Local media, parents, etc. all push the glorification of teen athletes. Quite frankly, it's toxic to so many males(and the overall academic performance of the entire student body, perhaps), but the males who are in leadership (coaches) are allowed to uphold the behavior year after year.
Honestly, it seems quite similar to how women who uphold toxic patriarchal views hurt other women. It's just bad behavior that ends up hurting everyone in some way.
I'd like to see people study how the culture of glorification of athletics connects to male mental health, and therefore perhaps contributes to the attitudes seen in the college attendance research, but also in the comments here.
WRONG. Why do women always attempt to analyze the male experience through thoughts of their own? So much of the problems today are because YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO US! We do not give a fuck about "being nerdy" WTF is that? We literally INVENTED everything that makes being a nerd possible. That shit ended in mass as we introduced the internet, napster, myspace, smartphones, and gaming. In fact now days because of nerds you can become rich and famous for being a nerd. Even the jocks are nerds and probably have some knowledge of basic coding. The dorks streaming on twitch is smashing just as many of these onlyfans flesh DJs as the Athletes. The issue is a women do is talk shit, and offer nothing, innovate nothing, and act like men. We dont need college we fuckin invented it, we wrote the books. We literally dont need that shit. What great man thats actually accomplished shit went to college? Abraham Lincoln: U.S. president; self-taught lawyer.
Elon Musk: Founder of SpaceX and Tesla; college dropout.
Steve Jobs: Co-founder of Apple; college dropout.
Mark Zuckerberg: Co-founder of Facebook; college dropout.
Richard Branson: Founder of the Virgin Group; high school dropout.
Henry Ford: Founder of Ford Motor Company; no college.
Mark Cuban: Entrepreneur and owner of the Dallas Mavericks; college dropout.
Larry Ellison: Co-founder of Oracle; college dropout.
Andrew Carnegie: Industrialist; elementary school dropout.
George Eastman: Founder of Kodak; high school dropout.
Walt Disney: Founder of Disney; high school dropout.
Thomas Edison: Inventor; primarily home-schooled.
James Cameron: Director and entrepreneur; college dropout.
Dustin Moskovitz: Co-founder of Facebook; college dropout.
Kevin O'Leary: Entrepreneur and investor; dropped out of the University of Waterloo.
Marcus Lemonis: Entrepreneur and investor; dropped out of Marquette University.
Jack Dorsey: Co-founder of Twitter; dropped out of college.
David Geffen: Founder of Geffen Records; college dropout.
Bram Cohen: BitTorrent developer; one year of college.
David Neeleman: Founder of JetBlue; college dropout.
Carl Lindner: Investor; high school dropout at 14.
Amadeo Peter Giannini: Founder of Bank of America; high school dropout.
Billy Joe McCombs: Billionaire; law school dropout.
Rob Kalin: Founder of Etsy; flunked out of high school.
Dov Charney: Founder of American Apparel; high school dropout.
Jack Ma: Founder of Alibaba; faced academic challenges but succeeded in business.
Frederick Laker: Airline entrepreneur; high school dropout.
Hyman Golden: Co-founder of Snapple; high school dropout.
Solomon Hykes: Founder of Docker; college dropout.
Andrew Jackson: U.S. president; home-schooled, became a lawyer.
Sam Houser: Co-founder of Rockstar Games; left school at a young age.
Nikola Tesla: Inventor and electrical engineer; did not complete formal education.
Tom Anderson: Co-founder of MySpace; high school dropout.
Matt Mullenweg: Co-founder of WordPress; dropped out of college.
Michael Dell: Founder of Dell; college dropout.
David Karp: Founder of Tumblr; dropped out at 15.
Reed Hastings: Co-founder of Netflix; college dropout.
Dana White: President of UFC; no formal college education.
Thomas Crapper: Plumber and businessman; credited with popularizing the flush toilet.
Frank Lloyd Wright: Architect; no formal education in architecture.
James Dyson: Inventor; college dropout.
John Paul DeJoria: Co-founder of Paul Mitchell Systems; no college education.
Jerry Yang: Co-founder of Yahoo!; PhD program dropout.
Howard Schultz: Former CEO of Starbucks; college dropout.
David A. Adler: Author and entrepreneur; college dropout.
Charles Goodyear: Inventor of vulcanized rubber; limited formal education.
Alexander Graham Bell: Inventor of the telephone; did not complete a degree.
Martin Cooper: Inventor of the handheld mobile phone; college dropout.
Gottlieb Daimler: Co-founder of Mercedes-Benz; no formal education in engineering.
William Harley: Co-founder of Harley-Davidson; did not complete a degree.
Henry Ford: Founder of Ford Motor Company; no formal education.
Karl Benz: Inventor of the first gasoline-powered car; limited formal education.
George Westinghouse: Inventor and entrepreneur; no college education.
Willis Carrier: Inventor of air conditioning; did not complete a college degree.
David Sarnoff: Pioneer in radio and television broadcasting; high school dropout.
Gordon Moore: Co-founder of Intel; college dropout.
Linus Torvalds: Creator of Linux; dropped out of university.
Philo Farnsworth: Inventor of the television; did not finish high school.
George Washington Carver: Agricultural scientist and inventor; limited formal education.
So a bunch of young men are whining that the world isn’t ENTIRELY geared in every way to cater to their every idiot whim? WHO CARES????
Dudes, grow up. As I have heard sooooo many men tell me throughout my life, no one cares about your feelings. If men fail, it’s your fault. Have you considered smiling more?
Your freedom is only permitted.....keep talking and see how long it lasts.
It's obvious that you are a man-hating feminist. Anyone that uses the term "whining" to describe male complaints, fits that description. I don't see how you can look in the mirror and call yourself a human being.
So all complaints by men are perfectly rational. Men ran everything forever. I don’t care what happens to all of you because it’s all your own fault. You wanted the world this way. Enjoy it.
You are funny. 54,000 American men and 8 American women died in Vietnam. They obviously didn't run a damn thing. There are a growing number of women that respect and value men, and get male issues. . They will always be happily coupled. Feminists will grow old in a houseful of cats.
I am actually happily married with two sons, none of whom think the world owes them anything because of the accident of an X chromosome and androgen receptors. As for Vietnam and all the other wars, those are men killing each other. Take up with MEN.
If your sons are falsely accused of rape, they will experience feminist jurisprudence first hand. Look for a zealous feminist prosecutor to do their best to put your sons away for decades, Plan on taking out a second mortgage to pay the lawyer's fees, and know that it still might not be enough to keep them out of prison. Brian Banks served 5 years in prison before the Innocence Project was able to free him. Oh - and the research has found that 40-60% of rape accusations are false.
My sons will not be accused of rape because they understand consent. Men who worry about ‘false’ rape accusations have always committed real rape.
If your husband gets prostate cancer, he will learn that your feminist sisters made sure that many times more taxpayer funds are spent on breast cancer than prostate cancer.
If your husband gets prostate cancer, he will learn that your feminist sisters made sure that there was vastly more funding for breast cancer than prostate cancer. That is one way among many that women kill men.
Also, I much prefer cats to the majority of males anyway, especially ones like you.
Have fun with your cats. Know that most men won't go near a feminist, me included. We go for the growing number of women that respect and value men, and find feminism as laughable as I do.
I would be curious if men are merely opting for more traditionally blue-collar of work because that's where the earning potentially is now. Why get a bachelors degree and take on $100,000 of non-dischargeable debt to make $60,000 a year when you can be a union electrician/carpenter/plumber and make 20% more without all of the student loan overhead after a similar investment in time? I think some men are realizing that college just simply is not worth the investment. I would be curious for AIBM to explore the reality of this.
Plus, as great as endorsing HEAL careers may be, you seem to be missing a very important metric when it comes to career selection: mating opportunity. If I may speak plainly, nobody's trying to fuck a social worker or a kindergarten teacher; their pay is shit and they have no cultural cachet. You would need a sizable financial investment in compensation for these fields that I simply don't believe as possible.
Highly technical and consequential careers will always require a university education. However, many other careers simply don't - and we shouldn't be hoodwinking young people into taking on surreal amounts of debt for them.
I want to dwell on this point for a second to give it some much needed emphasis. From the outside looking in, many university degrees seem either bloated beyond belief, or completely redundant.
At the same time, it is incredible how much university graduates don’t know. How is it possible for someone to receive 16 years of education and still require on the job training?
https://theemergentcity.substack.com/p/suburban-campuses-are-facing-a-mid
I had teachers in high school nearly cured me from a reading affliction. It was in the 11th grade when I first experienced such overt hostility as a dude. Between the essay (I still remember the title these thirty years later): "Man as a False Generic" and the imposition of reading of The Stone Angel by the other pessimistic Canadian Margaret. It was horrible.
My teacher seemed to think that we boys were to be cured from being boys. She wanted to liberate us from the patriarchy. We hated her and wanted to liberate her from living. Luckily, the next year I had a great teacher who at the time noticed how boys learning seemed to be dropping off. That was in 1991.
Crap teachers with axes to grind against men have been with us for decades. We are now reaping what was sewn by an anti boy / anti man presence in schools...
The therapy profession is even worse. I was the only born as a man man in my school of seventy students over the four years. There were some manufactured men, built on belief. But I was the only bio-dude.
Given that the APA wants to cure men of masculinity, the problem of colleges turning pink has implications that reach much further than mere academic achievement.
V interesting data. I imagine there is a link here between the gender divide in college enrolments/achievements and the increasing divide in political/value orientations between young men and young women. I'm writing from the UK where this is becoming more evident, but I believe in the US there is already something like a 30-point difference in young people's value orientations.
I became interested in the gender divide in educational achievement because the material pay/careers returns do not accrue to women (at whatever age - the gender pay and careers gap is especially big in older age groups). That's why I wrote The Paula Principle book, in which I argued that male career patterns need to change in order for women to get the due returns to their competences. But I see now that male under-achievement is a growing issue.
Quote: "I imagine there is a link here between the gender divide in college enrolments/achievements and the increasing divide in political/value orientations between young men and young women. I'm writing from the UK where this is becoming more evident, but I believe in the US there is already something like a 30-point difference in young people's value orientations."
Universities once had a 5 to one left to right orientation. Now that has become more like 25 to 1. Progressive politics are no longer fact based. They have become a religion.
Universities no longer function to develop critical thought. They are institutions of left wing religious indoctrination.
I have been encouraging boys not to attend university as here in Canada there is a critical mass that is hostile to straight white dudes in universities. They are there to be crapped on, derided and blamed for things they did not do to people who are no longer alive by people they did not hurt.
Straight white true born men are told to shut up and stand aside because of 'privlidge'. It souds like your work was the kind of crap that paved the way for more of these socialist cultural eugenics practices that have been so damaging.
Folks, We Have Work To Do
As I retire from the Board of The Joshua Project (JP4Men.org), a non-profit dedicated to providing meaningful rites-of-passage experiences for young men moving into the meaning of mature masculinity, I feel a need to shine a light. We have mentioned in earlier posts that we appear to be lacking any societal rituals or norms that help boys develop in a healthy way. Our posts discussed young men and their lack of .. uh .. ‘college completion’? We ruminated on this as resulting from a gap in our societal focus. We are correct. I just did not feel our conclusions went deep enough.
From everything I have seen, we, as a society, are unable to find space to allow men, and more specifically young men, to explore their archetypical balance. These boys need to discover who they are, how they should act, and what their future holds. They need to find their place as adults in our communities. You know, they need to become mature men.
In calling for a focus on the maturation of young men I am not looking to diminish the justly deserved push towards gender equality, or the expanding role of women in our society. As a father of two successful young women, I have seen the societal pressures on young women and applaud our efforts to make sure that every girl can develop into the strong, mature woman she wants to be. Nor am I talking about what the internet, magazines or media think either one of our genders ‘ought to be’, or how they should interact.
What I am referring to is the breakdown in our society in the instruction of how boys become men. Boys do not need understanding or pity. They need role models and the tools to become the strong, mature men they want to be. As our society has changed, and our expectations of men has been altered, our failure to provide those tools has the potential to lead to disastrous results.
I suppose the foregoing paragraph can be considered my theory statement. But it leaves a question to be answered. Can I “prove we have this issue”?
As we have shifted our educational focus almost exclusively on preparation for college, we have diminished traditionally male careers. Shop class and vo-tech training appears as an afterthought. Young men who are interested in these pursuits are too often looked down upon as second-class citizens, almost as if we are asking whether a young man can pursue a trade and still be ‘useful to society’. With the push towards college as the ultimate goal for high school students, women have outpaced men in academia, and seem better poised to take advantage of this focus. It feels as if it points to a maturation difference between the sexes. Studies show this is true. (Of Boys to Men)
The seeming frustration among boys with these expectations has shown itself in some troubling statistics, like suicide rates. More young males commit suicide than young females. The reason for this may be complex, but clearly we are failing these young men.
In the book “King, Warrior, Magician, Lover: Rediscovering the Archetypes of the Mature Masculine”, Jungian psychologists Robert Moore and Douglas Gillette argue that males are genetically born with four archetypes. The King, the Warrior, the Magician, and the Lover. Yes, inherited genetic archetypes. We tend to shy away from such designations because of the propensity of some to bend such concepts into ideologies of domination. However, as Moore and Gillette show, these archetypes transcend time, are intrinsic to all men, and have nothing to do with supremacy nor superiority.
How does a young man be a “King” without knowing what a King truly is? Does he understand that a King is someone who takes control of his PERSONAL realm? Can a young man even control that realm? Even if he can, does he understand how to use that control in a positive way for both himself and those around him?
The other archetypes provide similar opportunities for positive mature growth. The “Magician” promotes the power of knowledge, initiation and transformation. The “Warrior” recognizes a tendency toward aggressive action, but channels that in a positive way to meet goals. The “Lover” revels in our connection to others and the world around us.
A failure to recognize these archetypes allows their shadow to predominate, and immature males to emerge. The Magician becomes a hoarder of knowledge, doing nothing constructive with it. The Warrior vacillates between misspent aggression and inaction. The Lover becomes self-centered and manipulative.
These shadows of the male archetypes need to be exposed for what they are. Dead ends. But without the tools, knowledge, and technology to be successful how are young men going to properly channel these instincts? Are they going to get that guidance from Movies? Video games? School? Da Boys? Gangs? Jackin’ a car may make a kid appear strong to his buddies, but it does not make a man.
How does a dude learn this stuff? What can we do?
Well, I guess the first step is awareness of the fact that the pendulum has swung away from raising healthy boys to become men in their mature fullness. We have left the boys behind. More men need to step up and get involved.
At the Joshua Project we seek to provide meaningful rites of passage for young men moving into manhood. We look to encourage adult/youth mentoring relationships that can help steer boys to understand the drives within them and properly channel those drives. We use the archetypes as a means of creating compassionate, perceptive, discerning men.
So, as I step away from my official capacity, I am worried. I wish I could have done more. I am not going to quit helping and being involved, but younger men than I need to step up. We have work to do.
Thank you. The very balance of our realm is dependent on this. Too much Yang...not enough Yin
It seems clear to me that the reason boys are disproportionately likely to apply to more colleges than girls if affirmative action is outlawed is that white women benefit from affirmative action but white boys don’t.
No I just dont think we see the benefit. We forge our own paths....women do not create they serve.. College = Job. Job = servant. Servant = slave
Girls have higher grades and test scores than boys. They are (on average) stronger college applicants. They also graduate from college with higher grades than boys. Many selective colleges literally have to lower the standard if they want gender parity in schools. Some have hewed closer to the meritocratic standard and just admitted more girls.
Reeves has written extensively about this gender gap and the complex reasons why it exists. "Affirmative action for girls" is not an accurate explanation of the gender gap. In fact, for the reasons stated above, affirmative action is helping boys get into college.
Can’t both be true though - girls are on average outperforming, but in an individual case that is a close call the edge would be given to a female that has slightly lower credentials than a male applicant because of affirmative action?
I’ve encouraged men towards entrepreneurship. Per B. Franklin’s autobiography:
The two works I allude to, Sir, will in particular give a noble rule and example of self-education. School and other education constantly proceed upon false principles, and shew a clumsy apparatus pointed at a false mark; but your apparatus is simple, and the mark a true one; and while parents and young persons are left destitute of other just means of estimating and becoming prepared for a reasonable course in life, your discovery that the thing is in many a man’s private power, will be invaluable!
B.V. Writing to B.Franklin
There’s always one guy and he’s always a guy. No wonder they’re not welcome:
“In their ongoing efforts to promote women, these institutions have to be careful not to inadvertently send a message that men are less welcome on campus than men.”
From an immigrant's point of view (multiple immigrants, actually) American universities are some of the very best in the world and to have access to them is a privilege, although expensive. Sure, there are some "useless" degree programs but if you choose correctly, you can get a lot out of university and also get a good job from your well-chosen degree. People in some other countries are practically dying to get a chance to get into an American university. Americans need to cultivate gratitude.
"Curiously, men are nearly twice as likely as women to say the Court’s ruling will impact their decision to pursue a degree (56% vs. 30%), even though the ruling has no bearing on the consideration of gender in the admissions process. Moreover, some colleges report adopting affirmative action policies in favor of men as a means of combatting an increasing gender skew toward women on campus."
--- I'm wondering how much of this has to do with the (true or not) long-standing American cultural meme that white men are envious of black men.
Conservatives are all over the news, podcasts, and social media saying college is a scam and nobody should go. I guess they're encouraging "the trades"? At the same time they are railing against illegal immigration, people that fill the high-turnover rate jobs that Americans won't work no matter the pay like slaughterhouse employment. So if their anti-immigrant rhetoric succeeds who's going to fill the slaughterhouse jobs, tomato picking jobs, etc until robots can? You guessed it - all those Americans without a college degree. At least that's what they're hoping. And that's also why they are worried about the "birth rate". Do the math. These conservatives are clever.
How confident are you that you are actually as clever as it seems to you?
Did you notice that you conflated "illegal immigration" and "immigration"?
I did.
Not conflated but under the same umbrella. Many from both demographics are doing the work we won't do for any pay but the illegal immigrants even moreso. American economy depends on it.
> Not conflated
You are incorrect. It is possible to be opposed to illegal immigration without being opposed to legal immigration.
> but under the same umbrella.
Illegal immigration is a subset of immigration. All people who are anti-immigration are also anti-illegal-immigration, but the converse is not true.
> Many from both demographics are doing the work we won't do for any pay but the illegal immigrants even moreso. American economy depends on it.
This is true but orthogonal to the point of contention.
"This is true but orthogonal to the point of contention."
--- Not orthogonal to my point.
" It is possible to be opposed to illegal immigration without being opposed to legal immigration."
--- One bleeds over to the next. Ask any contractor, slaughterhouse owner or farm owner when his employees' "worker visas" expire.
Pretty incredible stat that the share of men enrolled in college the fall after high school is now the same as it was in 1964. I wonder how civil rights efforts in the south helped influence those numbers given this is just 10 years after brown v board of education
"Girls Who Code, The Future is Female, She can STEM, Black Girl Magic, and so on. These are wonderful messages of course."
Yep, nothing like explicit sexism for "wonderful messages".
"It is a remarkable and largely wonderful story. "
Sure, blatant sexism is "largely wonderful".
As your own post shows, women achieved parity in college admission 44 years ago. We've had 44 years of utterly gratuitous sexism that is explicit, open, and celebrated.
And then, we wonder why fewer men go to college. Gee, that's a tough one. :-/
You nailed it. Thank you. Good job exposing sexism against men.